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MSZ
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Originally posted by ripped


is this abstract enough?


i think djryan made this before.

Old Post Dec-08-2011 03:27  Canada
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Originally posted by Vector A
There is also the idea of "absolute music," meaning music that is not written to accompany anything else (stories, or images, or activities like dancing or ceremonies). In that sense any music made "just for listening" could be called "abstract" or "absolute."


I'm thinking along the same lines. For me, abstract was always about something unreachable, music not made with intention of invoking clear images, scenarios or feelings. Music without purpose and definitive solutions. Music for the sake of music. You can express its qualities and how it affects you, but nothing about it will leave any explicit cues to help you do it, and it'll probably have a completely different effect on someone else.

Gant Graf is a perfect example. I always visualized the whole thing as a high energy, dense stream of electrons going wild around some imaginary trajectory trying to break loose - unsuccessfully, because they are subdued by an electromagnetic force that takes them back on the path the whole time. Suddenly an unknown, even greater force appears and starts to manipulate the stream first into peaceful, beautiful and otherworldly shapes suggesting nothing harmful could ever happen, but then all of a sudden it receives a command that the stream must be destroyed and launches a weapon of self destruction that finally annihilates the whole stream structure. I know this description breaks every possible law of physics and that every other listener has his own interpretation of the track, but Autechre didn't offer any single allusion or reference in it sound or structure-wise to draw some kind of collective conclusion about it.

Old Post Dec-08-2011 04:17  Croatia
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abstract music is not only antirepresentational. Bierheld gave the example of paintings -- there it seems really evident, you achieve "abstraction" when you paint away from a strictly realistic depiction of the object. the development of perspective and a 'photorealistic' approach to painting is pretty new, though. if you look at pre-renaissance art in West, stretching back to cave paintings there is an entirely different set of criteria for painting "realistically".

abstraction is not just lines and junk on a canvas, its also to do with getting at some essential truth of the thing. for example if you look at some guy walking down the street, try to empty all his particular details, "abstract away" his legs and leave only the motion of his walk intact. its about trying to perceive or isolate something despite all the pressure to see it all together as one thing incarnated in a "real" object.

this is one of my favorite releases in "abstract" music:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Audi...release/1428327

all the pieces are produced with synthesized sound, no recordings are used. these guys try to put together audio spaces that sound "real" and "distinct" while in fact having no basis in any actual location at all.

Francisco Lopez made this one piece called "Azoic Zone" -- describes perfectly the paradox of abstract music.

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ripped
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quote:
Originally posted by sljiva
high energy, dense stream of electrons going wild around some imaginary trajectory trying to break loose - unsuccessfully, because they are subdued by an electromagnetic force that takes them back on the path the whole time. Suddenly an unknown, even greater force appears and starts to manipulate the stream first into peaceful, beautiful and otherworldly shapes suggesting nothing harmful could ever happen, but then all of a sudden it receives a command that the stream must be destroyed and launches a weapon of self destruction that finally annihilates the whole stream structure.


poetry


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mishu.edm
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well, experimental music is a sub-genre of electronic music... and for me it doesn't matter at all if it's trance, minimal, dubstep or house... I listen to all electronic music genres, I love 'em all

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