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Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by cl0ckw3rk
I mean, I've always loved listening to trance. Even the crap out there nowadays. Sure I like pre-2000 productions better, but I still enjoy the sounds well enough.

It's just...trance production is so...mechanical. Redundant. Formulaic. I mean, anyone can figure that out before even starting production. You lift up, then you break down. It's a good euphoric rollercoaster but you can only ride it for so long.

Then I look at just good old fashioned songwriting and "olschool composition" as you say. It's so organic, less predictable, full of life, and dynamic by comparison.

People get older. Taste buds change. I'll always dig the electronic scene, even if it is going in awful directions (dubstep)...It just doesn't keep me interested enough production-wise anymore.


study anything too much and you will have the same opinion. I found orchestral music too limiting in the palette one could use not to mention anything you do has already been done. I mean if one were to ask me what is more relevant, some master student writing in symphonic form or Skrillex, i would say skrillex.

granted one takes a little longer to grasp but in the end, its all the same shit. And people need to stop bashing genres. Dubstep unfortunately seems to have stagnated with the initial push that skrillex and company and that stuff they call complextro ? lol fucking ridiculous name anyways, you know that stuff by gartner which justice kinda started using sounds as a way to build sort of a melodic 8 bar phrase, were doing but what they were initially doing was pretty interesting. Anyone that denies this does not have a firm grasp of music in terms of what has and what hasn't been done. It was new. It was cool. But they just kinda got to level 10. And just took a massive dose of ketamine and got stuck there to the point where all songs have the same sounds and variations from triplet to 16th notes yada yada ....


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stewart.m
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same here to still love the trance but dont produce it any more i never thought it would happen but it has.

i enjoy learning more about composing today far more interesting and i enjoy it much more.

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Vector A
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I don't know how much more on paper a DAW is. Every single parameter is there. More so than any scoring practice.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I actually like thinking of it as "composition" more than "production" but figure that most people will think I am being pretentious by calling it "composition." Maybe I should just quit caring about that.

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DJ RANN
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Two things srping to mind:

The first is that the term producer has become bastardised for our uses, as opposed to the traditional meaning.

It used to mean the guy that gave an overall feel or subtle changes in aesthetic, rhythm or overall sound to an existing piece of music; a band would have written a track, and the producer just refined it, and certain bands/artists would choose producers based on what they would bring to the band's/artist's sound.

For us (EDM) "producer" means the guy that composes,writes,arranges,sound designs, tracks, engineers, mixes and masters the song from scratch. It's a complete misnoma.

Why bring this up? Becuase I think it's detrimental in some ways to what the ultimate goal is: make a good fucking piece of music. The problem is that all these stages are distractions and spread you thin. Not saying ti can't be done, but most people I know and respect have at least a couple of people helping them now, as they have learned their time is better spent elsewhere to make good music. All my score composing friends, can mix their own scores, but don't as there are people who can do it better and then they don't concentrate on engineering then, just writing something that is worth engineering.

I'm not saying that we can't do it all but often I find that people who are stifled, are caught up by all the other aspects and have forgotten the only goal that matters: make something musically interesting. I could care fucking less if you spent months mastering Zebra just to make that one lead accompaniment.

Theses other processes are technical, not necessarily creative (although there is crossover) and that hurts some of the process IMO.

Maybe it's becuase I've spent a fair bit of time with some serious pro engineers, but when you hear them talking about "producing" they get very nervous, and are nearly terrified not to blur the line of what they are doing and what a real producer is meant to be doing. They are, in their minds, completely separate disciplines.

The second thing is not to over think it - that's why I believe most schranz is formulaic. It's over intellectualised - it's no longer about a vibe that just wants to make you jack your body in a club (ask l4c about his jumpstyle for more info). The shit has been too thought through and that's why I reckon (outside of the "commercial product" reasons) Artists start out interesting, get boring and make formulaic rubbish devout of life or interesting feel.

So when anyone says I find I've got better but I'm less inspired, stop thinking and just do.

Make something on the fly. Use a drum machine. Play/Jam out loud on your keyboard and record it. Get drunk with an artist more talented than or very different to you and record it all.

Stop obsessing about the details and most importantly, stop listening to all the stuff other people make that is formulaic and boring. Listen to people who make something that you're not able to and try to get close, otherwise you're just adding to the pile of dross.

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mathieu
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I agree with you djrann especially with the little sentence you wrote at the end.

If you listen to music you dont like or that you find boring or generic youll get kind of a cynical view of music and youll beleive you cant make original or good music because ''if everything is crap then its impossible to not make crap''

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