I've tried machine:
- nice sample library, but nothing new
- nice dedicated controller, but nothing an AKAI MPD can't do
- nice own sequencer, but you can also use drumazon to do TR type beatmaking and sync it with the DAW

It's nice that its all integrated, but it's nothing new, also it's not a drumcomputer as such (and does nothing without a DAW)
so i would classify this more as a dedicated controller than a drumcomputer

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Well, if "something new" is your only criteria, why are you looking at drum machines? Drum machines haven't been broken any substantial new ground in decades - they're all just repackaging old ideas that have been around since the TR X0X's and before.

IOW, you could make this same argument about most drum machines on the market these days:

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Originally posted by Raphie I've tried machine: - nice sample library, but nothing new - nice dedicated controller, but nothing an AKAI MPD can't do - nice own sequencer, but you can also use drumazon to do TR type beatmaking and sync it with the DAW

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argh.. every time I see this thread I keep thinking this:

http://www.korg.com/ESX1

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Originally posted by Raphie (and does nothing without a DAW)

But it does, it has standalone mode, does not require a daw and practically is a daw in its own right. Fire it up, turn off monitor and bam there u go. Doesn't matter what I say its not gonna change ur thoughts about it. But yea, I would like to try Elektron Machinedrum, the sounds I've heard from it sounded cool and it would be nice to lay in bed and fall asleep to making beats. it does have a headphone jack doesn't it?

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Originally posted by Lucidity But it does, it has standalone mode, does not require a daw and practically is a daw in its own right.

I think Raphie meant that it won't operate sans computer (DAW), rather than host (DAW).

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correct, if you pull the USB plug it's dead
But I can imagine machine having great workflow and bet it gets creativity going. So don't want to diss it, it's just not for me.

I've purchased the Tempest as i wanted an analogue drum machine again and i like to play around with it's sequencer. Then i purchased a JOMOX Mbase-11 as well as i used to have a XBASE-999 and sold it, but i loved it's kick. The Tempest sounds very undaw, raw, unprocessed, boring maybe even. But it has immediately "that" atmosphere, without the polished ITB sample banks sounds. I mean ITB i've got Drumazon, Nepheton, GA1 and an AKAI MPD-18, could not really justify buying Machine as well.

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Originally posted by Raphie correct, if you pull the USB plug it's dead

Well, not exactly. Just to clarify (in case anybody else reading this is considering Maschine), the hardware is only a controller, so it won't work without without USB power, but you can use the hardware to control other MIDI-capable synths via the MIDI connections without using the Maschine software. Also, the software will still work without the controller plugged in. But, your main point is true: the Maschine hardware does not function as a standalone drum machine.

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Originally posted by Raphie 80'ties

Sorry this post is worded so sporadic.

Ok so im in turmoil over what to get now.

Originally I planned on getting a Tempest, although its obviously very nice, I don't feel like the price is justified.

the Jomox is very very nice, but i dont want to drop that amount of cash to just get very nice deep kicks. (eventually id like to get one, but do not have the budget and would like more than just a nice kick)

After watching a ton of youtube videos I've been thinking about getting a electribe esx1, I like how you can make a ton of sounds with it besides percussion. The problem is I get the feeling that its cheap for a reason...(although this is what i currently plan on getting unless you guys think otherwise)

Everyone here seems to be in favor of the machinedrum, but i dont understand what this has over the electribe esx1. since they are both samplers, cant you get the same kicks etc..?

Something Im not sure i am completely understanding is what Looneyforclooney was saying, were you saying that even though the tempest/jomox are analogue, that once you record it into your daw it will sound the same as a sample of the same thing? IE: a kick

lastly instead of starting a new thread, out of curiosity are there any "toys" you guys like? IE: korg kp3

If anything i said is blatantly wrong please let me know as these are just my assumptions

As an Electribe owner, I can say go for it, as I love mine, and it;s only a ancient ES-1.

So much fun and so easy to get grooves and sounds going on it.

I can use it as stand alone drum machine with sounds just the tribe itself, or just as a controller with my NI Battery template.

The ESX is great fun - the only thing is, that some (not all) of the sounds are a little dated, but at least you can sample whatever you want in to it. The FX are good (apart from the "tubes" which are really just a gimmick) but the big thing is the fun factor.

Honestly, in less than 2 minutes from power on I can have a decent loop going and record it in to logic. It can also be used a a decent stand alone FX unit.

Check out Denktribes video on youtube:

had ESX and EMX and it was incredible fun but very limited. miss them but think im going to buy a machinedrum....

ELEKTRON!

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