quote:

Originally posted by Looney4Clooney It is extremely common Children , Grace - not over yet comes to mind. that whole V I hegemony is just theory bs. You don't need any of those chords to outline a key, Modes and keys are not so different except keys refer to modes used in a way that is more in line with CPE. Again one more reason why studying theory can actually made you think inside the box and make you less creative. Always approach theory as 1 way of looking at things. IT isn't a theory. it is just one particular set of conventions that worked for classical era music. A good foundation but really really limited. You could see the progression in a minor mode VI VI i VI iv i because you don't get a V what so ever you could call it an aolian mode but since it really does follow tonal tradition, well i think it just makes it more complicated. Personally, i like to use as few systems of representation as possible and you can represent the same progression as IV V vi IV ii vi in that instance you have a V , just not the normal V to I resolution which isn't needed. This is why i would not call it a mode because it has a textbook tonal outline.

Ahhh I see, thanks! this is exactly why I went with a jazz book, the guy who wrote explicitely said that everything he said are guidelines not rules ive only read about 50 pages out of 400 but it has allready expanded my mind quite a bit

quote:

Originally posted by Kysora Well first of all I dunno how popular of a chord progression that is, I just played it on some virtual piano thing since I'm at work and it sounds a little odd. The progression sounds more major than minor, considering how it starts. In the relative major C the progression would go IV-V-vi-IV-ii-vi. The IV-V-vi is pretty common in major keys which is probably why I'm thinking this way, but typically the progression would also include a tonic chord. between not having C major anywhere in the progression and ending it on ii-vi, it just sounds awkward to me as is. Just my two cents, I'm sure it's usable, but I can think of a few chords you can change to make it sound better. I'll leave it up to you unless you really want suggestions.

the F-G-A part is extremely over used there is also a variation that resolves to C which is: F-G-A-C

you can also have F-D-A-C like in this track:

the track is in Gmin tho so its Emaj-C#min-G#min-Bmin always the same intervals, cant tell me youve rarely heard a progression like this in trance

quote:

Originally posted by Looney4Clooney well i'm not going to assume i know how you hear music. But i will assume you are just like everyone else and assume you hear it this way. lol

not really sure what that means, but alright. I do know both segments ended on the submediant giving it a minor tonality overall and if by "evaded cadence" you meant the track going from V-vi instead of V-I, that wasn't really hard to miss

actually I'm not really even sure what we're talking about any more. I know it's most likely minor because of the emphasis on the vi chords, just saying it sounded major when I played it, and the analysis seems better that way too. that's all.

the term minor and major don't really mean anything other than a way to organize things in your head. YOu can represent any minor progression with major and vice versa most of the times although major does seem to encapsulate the minor mode in terms of tonal traditions and what not which is why i do it that way. I would not say it is common practice but common practice actually think music theory is like real. In that like chords actually want to go places. So ya, the way i describe it is what i like and to be honest makes much more sense with less which when creating systems of representation is always better in my opinion.

___________________
"This is why Superman works alone." GC
old stuff from days gone by (2001-2004)
Mad For Brad's gay little contest

agreed, and yeah like I was saying, using major was just a way to make sense of it in my head. I know there's nothing that's strictly one or the other.

sounds like we're at least close to the same page then.

Thanks for the help once more guys about some music theory.
When I get this melody down, I will post a .midi of it.

___________________
Trance Addict 4 LIFE!

quote:

Dr.DRE "It's not the equipment....it's the muthaf@#%r running it"

quote:

Originally posted by Pagan-za Fighting online is like winning the special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

quote:

Originally posted by mathieu the F-G-A part is extremely over used there is also a variation that resolves to C which is: F-G-A-C

yeah I know that's a common progression and it could resolve to the tonic, I was talking more about the ii-vi resolution at the end. just seemed like an odd way to end it.

there is a 4rth relation so not really that odd.

___________________
"This is why Superman works alone." GC
old stuff from days gone by (2001-2004)
Mad For Brad's gay little contest