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Originally posted by elliehanagan Clubbing may have always been about the money, but raving wasn't. I do say in the article that huge fees are relative to the money made from ticket sales and I do understand that sell-outs aren't a new thing, but that doesn't mean I can't still address the issue. All I'm saying is that the gap between a well-paid DJ and a new DJ is gastronomical. Surely a DJ can be well-paid and feel appreciated without earning enough to have their face emblazoned on the side of their own private jet?

There's no way you can compare illegal raves back in the day with "raves" today. It's a completely different type of event and culture.

And again, I don't really see your point. The difference between a festival headlining act and some DJ in a small local club has always been gigantic.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Thing I wonder is if festivals and events sell out regardless of lineup (like, months before a lineup is even announced), can the promoters force a reduced fee on the names they bring in?

It may not effect sales in the current year but I think if the next events have a less heavy lineup ticket and drink sales will drop.

The other thing is there's not many dance music artists with the pulling power to headline a big festival. Guetta, SHM, Tiesto, Skrillex I think that's it? If you don't have one of those you will definitely miss a big chunk of the casual crowd.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Thing I wonder is if festivals and events sell out regardless of lineup (like, months before a lineup is even announced), can the promoters force a reduced fee on the names they bring in?

I'm pretty sure over here, Pinkpop is just 5 minutes drive, the lineup does make a difference. This year Bruce Springsteen is closing on Monday and tickets for Monday were sold out within a few hours.
They start selling after most of the lineup is known, in this case the beginning of March and the festival is end of May.
(Not that I can understand why that many people still want to see Bruce...)

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Originally posted by elliehanagan Do you think DJs are paid too much? Here's my article on the topic: http://rantnrave.net/2012/03/13/ran...-paid-too-much/

Do you under economics in any way shape or form?

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Originally posted by Woony Your blog entry doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Both DJs and sport players get paid according to their economic value, not some arbitrary measure.

^^ thats all there is to say, if a person can make a venue money they will get paid accordingly. Just like superstar football teams. I'm more concerned about the team owners share personally.

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Originally posted by DJ_TRON im my opinion...SASHA BLOWS!!!!! Sasha is probly one of the worst DJs ive ever heard...lol...i would be glad not to see her...but the rest of the DJs are good, thats where the fake ID comes in PEACE childsplay

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Originally posted by pink_glitter i think "Commercial" is when peple advertise things in between the music, like local radios, and "mainstream" is when there is uninterrupted music on a radio, i.e like Digitally Imported streams

Some people like to think out loud I guess? I mean your questions are rhetorical, and the answers to them are obvious.
This industry works in a similar way to other known industries, i.e. Sports, Social Media, Entertainment, so why do you think the clubbing Industry is any different? And why, really, Tiesto for example, shouldn't be paid the amount of money he's being paid?

Be a little more down to earth.

Well paid footballers get paid because they are good. I don't see any footballers making tons of money because they are really, really, really good at marketing.

Tiesto pulls in what he makes, because of his marketing team. The music he pumps out is awful, but people believe in the "brand." Branding is everything. All these dj's are currently riding the fad wave that is the EDM. It's easy to prey on folks when they have little to know knowledge of this type of music and they just go along with whatever is told to them as being good. It's the way everything works.

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Actually, footballers' wages are massively inflated by a very small number of mega-rich or profitable [football] clubs, and a large percentage of top flight clubs across Europe are actually in debt. A few clubs with rich owners or massive brands and revenues set the standard for wages, and the other clubs have to match these wages if they want to attract players. So really, the "economic value" of footballers is somewhat false.

There was a parallel to this a decade or more ago, when DJs began commanding such high fees that [night] clubs risked going out of business if their events didn't sell out. You could say this is a dance music equivalent of "doing a Leeds United" and gambling expenditure against predicted results, with disastrous consequences. A few extremely successful promoters set the bar high, and smaller nights couldn't compete financially. This is one of the reasons why a lot of clubnights went under around 2002, and the club scene has never quite recovered in the UK.

As far as I know, the situation has balanced itself a lot now. While the biggest DJs like Tiesto and Guetta earn truly massive amounts, I would guess that the average fee for a more mid-table DJ has probably gone down.

So yeah... your article is several years out of date, it doesn't make nearly enough out of the interesting parallels between football and dance music, and is basically devoid of content altogether. Harsh, but if you're going to join a forum entirely to promote your own website, you should expect criticism if your content isn't up to par.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker 1) Key pieces of information pertain to some form of information that can be referred to outside of your article which you are using to substantiate your points (there was only one citation used) along with contextual information concerning industry practices and how they compare with other musical performing artists with citation relevant to that. 2) This isn't a free speech issue. Apart from the fact that I am also exercising free speech in taking issue with your blog-post, me taking issue with your blog-post has little to do with free speech, at all. 3) You're the one raising the issue yet you've provided relatively little information with which to base an opinion on. Honestly, you might want to read up on rhetorical strategies if you plan on continuing in this line of "work". Your blog amounts to little more than a casual notion that could have occurred to anyone and indicates no familiarity with the subject you appear to be speaking to.

Wow you people are mean! Anyone ever heard of the phrase "trancefamily"?! Columns are always about free speech and people voicing their opinions to create debate and discuss things. There's no need to be rude. And as to the "work" you're referring to - at the risk of sounding like a complete douche - I have worked in the music industry for five years now, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about. This is purely an OPINION piece, not a dissertation.