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Originally posted by La5eR I have a personal account of this in the sense that studying deeper mathematical subjects, world-languages, and how laws originate. The less happy I become because of the flawed nature in the ways we communicate and obtain what is a relative false sense of security.

World-languages? You mean like... you studied Chinese and Spanish or...?

What flawed ways? Language works just fine

And how can learning languages make you feel more miserable? Unless, of course, you're sad you can't learn them... I can imagine it's frustrating. I for one believe it's impossible to feel sad and speak Spanish at the same time.

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Originally posted by La5eR How so? Language should be universal and the only universal languages that have been and will always be universal are music and mathematics. All other languages due to their exclusionary property are flawed.

Wait, why should they be universal? Not to mention that this is impossible, since you'd have to keep a very tight-knit global community for this to work anyway. Not even English, the world's contemporary Lingua Franca, can help diverging after a while.

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Originally posted by Vector A "Happiness is the inverse of intelligence" is a myth that unhappy people use to comfort themselves. Hey, they might be sad, but at least they are smart! I think that the opposite generalization is more accurate. Sharp people use their brains to build pleasant lives for themselves, which makes them more likely to be content.

This. I also tend to find it ironic that, quite often, people who believe everyone else is stupid and they're God's gift to mankind are the most unoriginal people to have walked this Earth... and they tend to leave me wondering what's so special about their awesomeness.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Language is even more nebulous still, seemingly guided by the mores and laws of universal utility, a kind of ether of memes and subtleties that only someone like Lira could possibly posit specific theories on. But it can be said that, in a general sense, its crystallization is a kind of regional extraction of involuntary polling, perhaps the only self-evident liberty mankind has consistently known, and why linguists such as Lira might be so consistently happy.

I must admit the belief that languages are fascinating does cheer me up. Think about it: You effortlessly convey all your thoughts and ideas to a different person using an arbitrary system of signs and they GET IT. And a single person can speak more than one code, as I'm doing right now. Even if we don't speak a common language, there's this built-in belief that other people are rational creatures who will grasp the most basic thoughts and ideas and you can still exchange a few words in an ad hoc language (the so called pidgins).

If you believe this is obvious, then you need to hang around autistic children a bit more.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Precisely why I kept my education to a near minimum; now I'm just an ass.

LIES! You're what happens when you educate a smart-ass.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J OP, you have quite clearly not become more intelligent as a result of your reading. You have instead become that most irritating of entities: an idiot armed with knowledge he doesn't know how to use.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Individuals are thankfully flawed and faceted, and your jumbled argument is fated to be from an individualistic perspective.

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It's a good thing I'm not at a computer right now, or this post would be a lot longer. When are people like you going to realize that everything is completely arbitrary, including not only mathematics, but the entire way in which we experience and understand existence as a whole! Haven't you considered the possibility that the true reasons for the ways in which the universe operates are reasons which our physicists and mathematicians have completely overlooked, or could not even begin to grasp at?

We're all making this shit up as we go along. It's time to let go, and be happy! How arrogant can you be to even comment on what happens to one's state of consciousness or being after death, as if it were fact.

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What do you mean you people?!?!

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Wow... loving the vocabulary in here.

Carry on

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Originally posted by Lira I also tend to find it ironic that, quite often, people who believe everyone else is stupid and they're God's gift to mankind are the most unoriginal people to have walked this Earth... and they tend to leave me wondering what's so special about their awesomeness.

Or they end up reinventing inferior versions of the wheel because they thought themselves too smart to first read about what others have already done.

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Originally posted by Swamper ♔ KEEP CALM and CARRY ON

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Originally posted by Vector A Or they end up reinventing inferior versions of the wheel because they thought themselves too smart to first read about what others have already done.

Indeed. I've learned that the reason why it's important to study is because whatever original idea you think you have may well be a dead person's idea, so it's always nice to check how people in the past reacted to that.

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Originally posted by Lira If you believe this is obvious, then you need to hang around autistic children a bit more.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/....php?forumid=16

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On What do you mean you people?!?!

People like the OP, whom I suppose many of us were like at one point or another. There's a reason why all fields of human knowledge are rooted in philosophy. None of it is absolute! In my ponderings, I've come to the personal conclusion that:



All is paradox. Infinite degrees of meaning can be derived from that which is infinitely arbitrary, or meaningless.

And so, personal / spiritual growth is gained out of nothingness. Whether we take that growth with us after we die, is something we'll all have to find out individually, assuming we were ever even alive to begin with.

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