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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest if you guys need to sample a kick drum to sound professional, don't bother trying to "make it" in music.

PLZ STFU

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

A bad workman always blames his tools.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yes, because everybody who has made a career out of music knows how to create a kick drum and no one has ever gotten famous using samples.

Daft Punk?

ive tried making kicks. Getting the "tail" seems easy enough using positive pitch modulation on a sine wave (or triangle i guess) but getting the attack phase right seems quite hard - short of taking the attack off another kick sample and using that.

Anyone got any tips for this?

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Originally posted by chris marsh ive tried making kicks. Getting the "tail" seems easy enough using positive pitch modulation on a sine wave (or triangle i guess) but getting the attack phase right seems quite hard - short of taking the attack off another kick sample and using that. Anyone got any tips for this?

You can use any sharp sound really, like a hat or even some snappily filter modulated white noise.

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Originally posted by chris marsh ive tried making kicks. Getting the "tail" seems easy enough using positive pitch modulation on a sine wave (or triangle i guess) but getting the attack phase right seems quite hard - short of taking the attack off another kick sample and using that. Anyone got any tips for this?

Alittle natural sounding very short ambient verb on the attack phase often brings a kick to life, but it needs a lot care to get the verb sitting right and not too obvious.

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I've tried making a good kick in a couple of synths, and it never comes out right.

I think it has something to do with the pitch curve...maybe its something you can't do with a normal envelope.

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Originally posted by Beatflux maybe its something you can't do with a normal envelope.

You're right linear is no good, need exponential envelope, but every drum synth has it.

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Originally posted by vercetti You're right linear is no good, need exponential envelope, but every drum synth has it.

No...

I have a bunch of pro kicks I reference and I still can't get it with an exponential curve.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I've tried making a good kick in a couple of synths, and it never comes out right. I think it has something to do with the pitch curve...maybe its something you can't do with a normal envelope.

Nearly all the synths have a kickdrum in their presets, Sylenth has or Z3ta i am not sure in which of this 2 or both, see how it's programmed and you'll get an idea of how to continue with your project.

there are thousands of libraries and the only kicks i'd love to reproduce are the ones of 1995-2000, just a lil bit of low end and a strong mid section. Unfortunately when i used one of this on a track people found it strange.

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Originally posted by vercetti You're right linear is no good, need exponential envelope, but every drum synth has it.

i was reading the other day that you can turn a normal envelope into either convex or concave by using the mod matrix in the synth. I left the book at work but i believe it was assign decay to decay - amd whether you choose a positive or negative modulation it gives you either concave or convex. I tried it out and it does seem to work too.... but as you say drum synths have adjustable envelopes anyway. Waldorf attack is a nice one but a bit fiddly.....

oh and thanks for the tips i shall try them out

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