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How do you think weed should be handled in Ontario?
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It should be legal to grow up to x number of plants for personal use 16 31.37%
It should be regulated by the government and sold like cigarettes 25 49.02%
All drugs (or at least more things than chronic) should be legal and dispensed at pharmacies 4 7.84%
It should remain exactly how it is now, but mandatory sentencing is ridiculous 1 1.96%
It should be the source of a major crackdown and banished everywhere 2 3.92%
Other 3 5.88%
Total: 51 votes 100%
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Xavier Moriarty
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quote:
Originally posted by chris1011
No. I guarantee you a poll of professors, scholars, and researchers with backgrounds in sociology and criminology would all agree with Nick's points to some extent.


please. decriminalising anything, let alone weed would decrease crime. so whats his/your point??


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Old Post Apr-20-2012 18:29  Serbia
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Originally posted by LightsOut
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I just hope Toronto doesn't become what Amsterdam has, and hopefully the new laws change that. I think Amsterdam is an incredible city and has so much interesting history and fantastic people. However, as soon as you walk out of centraal station, all you see is headshop after headshop, and cafe after cafe. Throw in thousands of pretentious american teenagers running around everywhere trying to get as baked as possible, and it just really rubs me the wrong way. I'm all for the decriminalization and possibly legalization of soft drugs, but I don't want to see this city turn into a paradise for drug tourism, even if it means a few extra bucks for our governments.


I think you are overreacting here. What you are referring to is only a tiny part of downtown Amsterdam. It has coffeeshops, sex shops, restaurants and bars and souvenir shops. It IS their tourist centre, so of course they have that. It takes up a tiny fraction of the city. Moreover, its only busy on the weekends. Its also mixed with the Red Light District, which creates a lot of foot traffic. I have more of an issue with the Leidsplein/Rembrandtplein area (DRUNK tourists) than the sedate, baked kids sitting for 6 hours in a coffee shop.

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I'm just nit picking a bit. I really like the city, but everytime I've visited I've just been rubbed the wrong way by the cannabis tourists. Its just such a clusterfuck sometimes. I really think the new laws are a great move, the residents can reclaim the city centre and the culture is preserved for those that live there.


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Old Post Apr-20-2012 21:30  Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
lol, why is that?? because you smoke up?? educated, honest person??

you sir, are full of shit !!!


uhh ya any educated person SHOULD know that.

Old Post Apr-20-2012 23:22  Poland
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Nicolas Oliver
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quote:
Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
Why is that?? because you smoke up?? educated, honest person??


Well, just to mention a few reasons:

1. I studied at the University of Toronto for five years and graduated with two degrees including an Honours B.A. and a Masters of Arts in criminology, the latter including a dedicated focus on addiction studies.

2. A number of the most well-respected, experienced, and referenced educators in the world re: drugs, law, and policy issues -- including Dr. Carol Strike, Dr. Benedikt Fischer, Dr. Robert Mann, and Dr. Alan Young -- teach at this school (or did teach while I attended). I completed courses with all four of these individuals as well as many more. Dr. Strike, who is a co-author of the supervised injection site assessment study on Toronto and Ottawa which was just released to the public last week, was the supervisor for my major research paper during my Masters year. For this research paper, I was the lead author of an investigation into the interaction between law enforcement and needle exchange programs across Ontario. I collected and analyzed my own data via phone interviews with NE workers and managers. The entire first section of this 50-page paper was dedicated to reviewing past studies on how the criminal prohibition of drug use negatively impacts drug users' lives and the wellness of their surrounding communities (including data from Canada, the U.S., and Australia). Dr. Fischer taught the 'Drugs, Crime, and Control' course at UofT, which I completed. Dr. Young is one of Canada's most famous vice law lawyers (as well as a professor at Osgoode Law School), an individual who has challenged the prohibition of cannabis (as well as prostitution) all the way up the Supreme Court. He is the person whom the media seek out each and every time any issue relating to the legality of vice crimes arises. I completed at least four separate university courses with him. He is, perhaps, the most experienced person in the country re: the interaction between drug use, prohibition legislation, and policing actions.

3. Dr. Mann is the director of the CoPAS program at UofT (the Collaborative Program in Addiction Studies). Dr. Mann selected a paper I wrote on the the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics of cannabis and MDMA use (i.e., what exactly happens when these substances enter a person's body?) as the most impressive paper written by any student in the program for that year, for which I was granted a $1000 scholarship.

4. I also wrote an extensive paper investigating the question of what our government ought to do in response to the practice of driving while under the influence of cannabis, wherein I reviewed all the extant literature on the effects of using marijuana while driving, how different countries are attempting to police this practice, which methods are available for testing for THC levels, etc.

5. I am fairly confident that I have spent more of my free and professional time educating myself about substance use issues (virtually everything you can think of when you read the phrase 'drug use') than anybody you will ever meet. And if that is not true, then at least more than the vast majority of people you will ever know.

All of this aside: as I originally stated, any educated, unbiased, honest person who has thoroughly examined the extant literature must come to the conclusion that the vast majority of harms associated with drug use are in fact caused by criminal prohibition itself - this fact is virtually undisputed by those who dedicate their lives to this area of study - and that in the case of cannabis, legalization is indeed the most sensible and safe method for 'dealing with' a substance that has been used by human beings for more than 10,000 years.

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Xavier Moriarty
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quote:
3. Dr. Mann is the director of the CoPAS program at UofT (the Collaborative Program in Addiction Studies). Dr. Mann selected a paper I wrote on the the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics of cannabis and MDMA use (i.e., what exactly happens when these substances enter a person's body?) as the most impressive paper written by any student in the program for that year, for which I was granted a $1000 scholarship.


would i be able or allowed to read this research paper? as an educated, non-biased, honest person whos been smoking weed almost 20 years i find the idea of legalizing any drug repulsive. i noticed you mentioning mdma, are you advocating the legalization of it as well??


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Old Post Apr-21-2012 14:59  Serbia
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quote:
Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
would i be able or allowed to read this research paper? as an educated, non-biased, honest person whos been smoking weed almost 20 years i find the idea of legalizing any drug repulsive. i noticed you mentioning mdma, are you advocating the legalization of it as well??


Seriously dude? I know there's playing devil's advocate but now it just sounds like you're trying to stir stuff up.

Old Post Apr-21-2012 16:25  Canada
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I too would like a read nic. Sounds interesting


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quote:
Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
would i be able or allowed to read this research paper? as an educated, non-biased, honest person whos been smoking weed almost 20 years i find the idea of legalizing any drug repulsive. i noticed you mentioning mdma, are you advocating the legalization of it as well??


Why do you find the legalization of weed, specifically, so repulsive?


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