i c now, my ansa still is vinyl

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Digital (Protools etc.) OR Live WITH crowd.

But I hate it when CD's are mixed with vinyl and you can notice the DJ's poor mixing skills (if they are very obvious) Example: ISOS 3

My point : If you're gonna do a mix cd on live TT's, you'd better be really good!

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Originally posted by ampburner If you're gonna do a mix cd on live TT's, you'd better be really good!

Yep, that sounds about right, i still prefer digital though, the quality of production on the gatecrasher cds is awesome.

Oh yeah n i dont mean live infront of a crows, just live as in all done in one go.

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I prefer to hear it done on decks. I love hearing those fat beats start cancelling eachother out, lets me know someone with some real skillz has done the work, and not some geek with a mouse and a bunch of mp3's. I hate cd's that have been "fixed up".

I remember listening to one of the Aus' MOS Hard NRG cds and one of the songs had the entire middle section cut out, as though nobody would notice. Well i noticed, and i have no respect for anything released by MOS anymore

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Iv never said nething harsh on this forum b4 but i can't think of a nice way of putting this.

The above comment was just up its own arse. It was so typical of a lot of DJs today, the view that people that mix in a different manor, digital, cd or mp3 are "geeks" or wanabe's or whatever. I mean for fucks sake, these so called geeks who use studios are the people that make the vinyl in the first place and are 10 times more important to trance music than somebody who in essence is just playing somebody elses music. Don't get me wrong, i love to DJ and i love Djyn with vinyl but im tired of all the bolox surrounding DJin where by DJs get more credit than the people making the tunes.

Oh yeah, n i cant stand it when beats cancel each other out, its just bad DJin, kill the base and sort it out.


Sorry in advance.

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fuck man, take it easy, and recognise a joke when you read one.

But that doesn't mean i go back on my thoughts on studio edited mixes. My anger isn't towards people who work in studios but those who get by with crappy mixes only to have them fixed up and then have peopele say every two minutes how great they are. That's where my problem lies.

Why does everyone have to jump out as soon as they read something they don't agree with

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Originally posted by jdat indeed but still ... seriously ... replacing ... Vinyl ... with cds ..????? not about to happen

This will never happen until you can adjust the pitch of CDs like you can with vinyl - most CD decks can only adjust +/- 0.1%, which is not good for long mixes and perfection of beatmatching.

that's the main reason i'll stay with vinyl.

-mer

Yeah, sorry cheggy, didnt mean to have a go. Just get a bit to involved sometimes .

I h8 it when DJs get there stuff edited in a studio and then they say its mixed by them to. Its just i quite like it when a cd is made in a studio and then they dont say its mixed by neone, like the gatecrasher cds or the dark trance cds, its like theve been put together as well as they possibly can be and the aim is always perfection.

Sorry.

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Agreed with tom

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A lot of people here are gettign the wrong end of the stick and not understanding the question properly.

What he's trying to say is that some mixed CD's, that you buy in the shop, are made by hooking up a pair of actual vinyl turntables to recording equipment, recording a mix, then mastering it to sort out sound quality etc, and releasing it.

Other CDs are made entirely on a computer. No actual mixing is involved here, whether by vinyl or by CDs. What happens is that sound files on the computer are moved around on the screen, cut and pasted, timestretched, etc. This is not done live, and the person doing it can keep tweaking it until it is perfect. While this takes a lot of skill, it is still far easier to create a perfect mix using this technique than by using a pair of analogue turntables, which require timing, manual dexterity and cueing skills.

Remember: This is COMPLETLEY different from mixing on a computer with e.g. VTT, AtomixMP3, BPM Studio or whatever, as these are done live. Digitally mixed CDs are not done live and may take hours and hours, rather than 74 minutes or whatever.

That said, I prefer CDs that are mixed with a pair of turntables. It shows that someone has used real DJing talent to make the CD, and hasn't sat down in front of a computer for a few hours and created exactly the same mix that someone else would have done given the same tracks and the same computer program. I like different mixes by different people to be different! And I like it when there are little mistakes here and there in the mix - it shows the DJ is human, and it also reassures me about my own mixing!

And the point made by Tom earlier about cancelling beats showing that you are a bad DJ - Your argument is entirely invalid. This is a natural ocurrence in sound.

Sound waves (especially beats) are a series of peaks and troughs. A bass beat will be typically be between about 50 Hz (50 peaks and troughs per second) and about 200 Hz (200 peaks and troughs per second). When two peaks or two troughs or the same frequency coincide, the two add to each other and increase in volume. When a peak and a trough of the same frequency occur together, they cancel each other out, reducing the volume.

Of course, to entirely eliminate this phenomenon, you could cut the bass from one track, and then immediately switch and cut the bass from the other track, while at the same time slamming the bass back in from the fisrt track. But in many situations, this is bad DJing. A lot of the time you will want to have a smooth mix, which means gradually fading from one track to the other. So, when the two basses are equal (at the halfway-point or whatever) you will get cancelling beats.

the sound of canceling beats is great for me!!!!! it gives me alot of satisfaction when I'm mixing in my home...... gives me the feeling that I'm getting better at my mixing.....

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