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Re: Newbies Vs Nobs
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
Am i missing the point here? |
You are missing a metric-fuck-ton of them.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
Is this forum not about learning to make music to the best of your ability? |
This is a strawman logical fallacy. We don't have a pro-music illiteracy position we're harboring that is contrary to the forum's purpose.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
I thought asking questions would be a good way to learn? |
Asking questions is a great way to learn. Unfortunately, more often than not, other methods of learning are ignored for the sake of expediency in asking questions. 100% of the time, lazy questions are asked to obtain easy answers. Subsequently, the answers given to these questions are ignored because they are not the "easy" ones.
Case in point: Need help with basic bass sound!
I gave an answer to the OP's question. The OP has ignored that answer. He continues bumping the thread with examples of what he's looking for while refusing to accept the answers given to him. This isn't a one-off occurrence. This happens every time someone posts a question like his. The correct answer is provided and subsequently ignored.
It would be one thing if he inquired for more specific information regarding my answer but he hasn't even done that. He's simply ignored the information presented. The assumption I'm left with is that he has such a deficit of knowledge that it is impossible for him to recognize the answer he has been given as the correct one. Otherwise, he recognizes it as the correct answer but is unsatisfied; possibly thinking that there is yet another answer which is easier to apply to his problem set.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
There's no such thing as a stupid question. |
False. Stupid questions are questions based on assumptions that pose their own deficit of knowledge - such as your thread concerning "risers and falls". They seek out simple answers to problems that have complex solutions when they don't ignore obvious solutions for issues that are downright trifling.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
If you dont know something you dont know it and asking someone is a way to find out, simple!!! |
If I show up to a hospital and ask how to reduce a compound fracture of the femur, I'm not going to get the answer I'm looking for. While many of the questions people ask are, in fact, simple, their answers require fundamental building blocks of knowledge that would take multiple paragraphs to elaborate on. If I have no idea where the abductor magnus or sartorius muscles are, how the fuck am I going to understand a doctor's instructions to make certain they haven't been damaged in the trauma related to the compound fracture, in the first place?
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
So why when someone looking for advise to they just get criticized by people who think they know it all? |
Some people here are classically trained musicians. Some have professional credentials or credits on their resumes. There are people, like myself, who are self-taught. All of us have taken years - not days, not months, but years - to learn what the fuck we're doing. You (and posters like you), on the other hand, have taken all of, perhaps, fifteen minutes to compose a post so full of ignorant assumptions that it would take over fifteen years just to find out what they are and correct them before we could begin to think about answering the question you had, in the first place.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
If you know it all why are u here? |
For fuck's sake, stop using SMS shorthand! Grow the fuck up. That shit is annoying and shows that you don't even want to expend the effort to implement the answers you're given. It's two extra letters that "u" have to fucking type. The fact that you don't shows how little respect you have for people who you want to help you.
It's not that everyone knows everything and doesn't want to share that. It's that we know that the questions you're asking present such a monumental deficit of knowledge that answering them is fucking pointless (See earlier Case in point). It's because we've answered these questions and wound up having those answers ignored. The person asking the question doesn't know enough to implement the answers. Lastly but most importantly, it's because you (and people like you) are so fucking petulant and manipulative - in this instance, starting a thread which is essentially one giant fucking guilt-trip aimed at coercing us into answering your insipidly contrived queries - that you should expect to find people completely unwilling to help you.
You think, just because you're signed up, here, that you're entitled to answers for your questions. You want the solution you want, the way you want it, and in the manner you think it should work. You don't, and possibly never will, understand that it doesn't work the way you think it should because you are too illiterate. You are so illiterate that you already have a solution in mind to the question that you're asking. When you're given an actual answer, it doesn't line up with the one you were expecting, and you consequently dismiss it. You already seem to know everything by virtue of having learned nothing at all.
A doctor doesn't just up and decide he's going to be a doctor and immediately start practicing medicine, simply because he knows a femur isn't supposed to protrude through the quadriceps and out through the front of the leg. Music, while not having the academic requirement for beginners that medicine does, takes years of practice to learn to get to a point where you can even start asking questions that aren't stupid; questions that are taken seriously, here.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
Think you need to remember there was a point when you knew nothing too. |
No, we don't. You need to take into account that most of us have learned by research, experimentation, piano lessons, and just fucking doing it. Some of us have been doing this since before usenet. We had neither the privilege of asking nor the convenience of the internet to assist us. We plowed through voluminous books on music theory and synthesis. We read magazine articles and walked through the tutorials. We went outside and got to know people who were actually doing what we wanted to be doing. There was no Google - a perfectly acceptable alternative of which you seem both incompetent and unwilling to utilize. We just had what we had and figured out how to put it to use. It wasn't handed to us without significant effort on our part.
| quote: | Originally posted by shadowsthatmove
Awful atmosphere on here at times, just wish people would only reply if they had something useful to say!! |
It's questions like yours which help facilitate that atmosphere. They foster a counter-productive intellectual entropy - all heat, nil result. You (and people like you) ask stupid questions and, as a result, receive answers that are not compatible with your skill level; let alone, the answers you are expecting. When you don't get the answers you're looking for, you ask more stupid questions, and worse, start threads like this. It creates a fucking mess. I'm tired of seeing them floating to the top of the topic list and linger there.
It would be frustrating enough having one asshole show up to an emergency room, asking how to reduce a bone fracture, without having taken so much as one premed college level course. When 100 show up to the ER, asking stupid fucking questions, the ER isn't going to be very effective. When we have people, like you, who regularly pollute this forum with insipid questions, this forum loses its efficacy and is distracted from finding a better balance of beginning, intermediate, and advanced concepts in its topic pool.
Essentially, questions like yours retard the level of this discourse community - which is what we are. There is a level of vocabulary and knowledge tacitly required for useful participation. You start throwing around childish descriptions like "risers" and "falls", being stupidly used as commonly understood terminology, and it turns this forum into a musical version of Yo! Gabba Gabba.
It is fucking retarded. Yes, this is a music forum. Yes, people are here to learn and teach. No, we are not here to address your fundamental ignorance of music theory, synthesis, and related topics just to help you figure out a quick route to sound like motherfucking Avicii. We're not here to parse through your fumbling illiteracy as you flail about trying to make "risers, falls, swoopers, ploppers, bammers, tweakers, goobers, gobbers, gabbers, rolling-bass-lines, breaks, and drops."
People are rightfully irritated. We come here to participate and learn from each other. Each of us has specializations the others lack. But all of us have done our homework. We've spent years getting to know our craft, refine our methods, and achieve our styles; along with whatever accomplishments that came along with that.
You come in and don't want to spend one fucking hour, finding an answer to your question on Google, and perhaps another two, actually reading and understanding it and you ask stupid fucking questions, as a result. Simply put, you are the cause of the problem that you are describing. Your OP is essentially one niggling, passive-aggressive, and disrespectful "Fuck You!" to everyone who you think hasn't answered your questions. They fucking well have answered your questions.
You're just too fucking stupid, ignorant, and illiterate to understand just how acceptable those answers were.
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Last edited by EddieZilker on May-18-2012 at 20:19
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