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Originally posted by Beatflux Reso's tut on this track pretty much confirmed what ill Gates was explaining. Reso drank coffee and banged out the track. I think Armin said the best tracks he writes usually come together in 3-4 hours. (this probably doesn't include additional production time)

Sure sometimes it all comes together quickly but on average I'd say good work takes, well, work and sweat and thought end to end.

The Beach Boys good vibrations took a year to produce. This is often the case with memorable works of all kind. The basic germ of an idea can come quickly but often a big amount of effort is needed to get something worthwhile imo.

Personally I like something that feels like it took a lot of thought and sweat to make as DJ Ramirez points out when talking about the demos he recieves.

To me personally every detail in a track is important, but I know many disagree with this. Just like food, I'm very discerning when it comes to eating out for say a special meal treat - I don't want a half assed 6 out of 10 experience, I want 9 out of 10 or more, same with film, it's got to be good, all of it, not just thrown together ok otherwise why bother ?

Watch the great French food producers that make world famous cheeses, sausages, wines and so on. They LOVE thier work, every last detail. Worthwhile things generaly take superior effort and work.

By all means bang out the basics quickly, no issue with that, but then just rushing to get a project done to me is a bit of a cop out. Master painting generally took months of effort.

MERITER - I enjoyed the listen but the guy just doesn't chime with me. Keeping a fucking journal would depress me. I do make notes before a lot of sessions but nothing too rigid or disciplined as that would make it feel forced.

I like his message about paper n scissors though. I've long felt equipment whilst damned handy is not the be all and end all and that sheer effort can over come most things.

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Last edited by Richard Butler on Jun-11-2012 at 21:08

except once you cut tape, you need to glue it. So ya, his analogy is flawed from the start. But i don't think this guy has a fucking glue about anything really.

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I don't think it's a bad idea to listen to his advice for someone getting started in making music. I think it's absolutely essential to work fast. I personally would say a 20 hour guillotine isn't a bad idea. A little long, but it's not a bad idea for your workflow. Making time to make patches, organizing samples, etc. isn't a bad idea. I can't say anything about neuroscience, and sociological claims but keeping a journal to keep track of your progress isn't a bad idea either, but I think writing your life in them is a bit of an overkill.

and having your name next to datsik and bassnectar isn't accomplished?

not to me no. He does not even make close to a living with his tracks, so ya, how he feels like he has the qualifications to guide others to success is kinda fucked. I mean so much of what he said was full of shit. The bit of about the meeting with record execs. Lol. Jesus, ya, a bunch of record execs where at a meeting to sign some nobody dub artists when it wasn't big. I mean come on.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney not to me no. He does not even make close to a living with his tracks, so ya, how he feels like he has the qualifications to guide others to success is kinda fucked.

Isn't this like every guy who can't find legitimate work?

Vespers is the same way...

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney not to me no. He does not even make close to a living with his tracks, so ya, how he feels like he has the qualifications to guide others to success is kinda fucked. I mean so much of what he said was full of shit. The bit of about the meeting with record execs. Lol. Jesus, ya, a bunch of record execs where at a meeting to sign some nobody dub artists when it wasn't big. I mean come on.

"Like yeah man, do you just protools or sometihng... No man!! just scissors man...." just plain hilarious, what a douche....

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This is just another way to make money of beginning producers who eat all this shit. It's funny how many producers rised to the top by figuring stuff out themselves compared to people going to/buying these workshops.