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Halcyon+On+On
Liebchen



Registered: Sep 2004
Location: midcoast

quote:
Originally posted by Acton
Honk Kong


Is that like the Red Light District, there?


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Acton
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Registered: Mar 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Is that like the Red Light District, there?


It certainly is!


Twat!


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Liebchen



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*honk, honk*


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Lilith
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quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
American Style

Hold your fork like a pencil (never used it to stab at food), with the shank extended between your thumb and second and third fingers. Your fourth and fifth fingers rest in your hand.


That really threw me out when I visited and couldn't quite figure out just why they where all broken and weird when eating... then they're all trying to figure out why I can't feed myself properly either.

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Blake
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Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Miss Pie
A nice big meal is better with company for sure. But if it's just like, my lunch or dinner break at work, I actually prefer to eat alone. I like to get away from people and be alone with my thoughts, just enjoy my break/food in silence.


Same here. I'm completely fine with eating alone, while browsing on my tablet, or just eating and just letting my mind wander.

What this thread has made me realize though is that unless there's alcohol involved, I'm uncomfortable eating with more than 2 or 3 people . Great, now I feel like the one with strange eating habits.


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Chimney
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Absolutely hate eating in front of / with other people. When I get fast-food, I take it home.

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Halcyon+On+On
Liebchen



Registered: Sep 2004
Location: midcoast

quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
That really threw me out when I visited and couldn't quite figure out just why they where all broken and weird when eating... then they're all trying to figure out why I can't feed myself properly either.


They is not used to the sight a seeing someone et wif a bowie noif.


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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
My family actually has extremely strict rules for dining. Deviation from any of the established etiquette is not tolerated by any immediate member, nor by and for exception of any particular guest. This has not typically gone well for any particular companion or potential love interest I've invited over for dinner, but here are the codes I was forced to memorize since I was old enough to sit at the table:

In most situations, following the "outside-in" rule will tell you which knife, fork, or spoon to use at the dinner table.

Use utensils on the outside first and work your way inward with each new course that is served.
If you are not sure which utensil to use, wait to see what is served.
Or, watch others at the table and follow their lead.

Continental Style v. American Style (for right-handed dinners)
Continental Style

Hold your fork in your left hand, tines downward.
Hold your knife in your right hand low to the plate, an inch or two above. Extend your index finger along the top of the blade.
Use your fork to spear and lift food to your mouth.
If your knife is not needed, it remains on the table. Hold your fork in your right hand, tines upward.

American Style

Hold your fork like a pencil (never used it to stab at food), with the shank extended between your thumb and second and third fingers. Your fourth and fifth fingers rest in your hand.
For leverage, the index finger is extended along the back of the fork, as far from the tines as possible.
Hold your knife with the handle cupped in the palm of your hand, along with your third, fourth, and fifth fingers. Your second finger is placed on the back of the blade. Your thumb is held against the side of the handle.

Two Utensils. Using two utensils as opposed to one is preferred because food is easier to manipulate with two utensils. In formal dining, two utensils are used for the appetizer course, main course, salad course, dessert course, and fruit course.

Utensil Etiquette
Resting Utensils

Soiled utensils are laid on the plate or bowl it is provided with (not on the table). Never rest a utensil half on a plate and half on the table. The rules are, of course, different when using chopsticks.

You can rest your utensils in one of two ways when taking a break from eating:

Put your fork and knife in the center of your plate with the tips facing each other in an inverted V (slightly angled); Or
Rest your knife on the top right of your plate (diagonally) with the fork nearby (tines up).

These two resting positions, recognized by trained wait staff, signal that you're not ready to have your plate removed.

At most restaurants, used utensils are replaced with clean ones for the next course.
If, however, a waiter asks you to keep your dirty utensils for the next course, it's okay to ask for clean ones.

Soup Spoons.

Soup Bowl. If soup or dessert is served in a deep bowl, cup, or stemmed bowl set on another plate, place your utensil(s) on this underplate when you finish. If the underplate is too small to balance the spoon, the spoon is laid in the bowl.
Soup Plate. If the bowl is what is called a soup plate (shallow and wide), leave the spoon in the bowl.

Finished with a Course. When each course is finished:

Place the knife and fork parallel with the handles in the four o'clock position on the right rim of the plate;
The tips rest in the well of the plate in the ten o'clock position;
The blade of your knife should face inward;
The fork tines may be either up or down.
This position signals to the server that you're finished. It also decreases the chance that the utensils could fall to the floor when the plates are cleared.

Temporary Placement During a Conversation. For temporary placement of the fork and knife in conversation:

Continental Style-

The fork is laid on the side of the plate with the tines downward and the handle in the eight o'clock position.
The knife handle is laid in the four o'clock position.
If space permits, the tines are rested over the blade of the knife.

American Style-

The knife is rested on the right rim of the plate with the handle in the four o'clock position.
The fork is laid near the knife.
Fork tines upward.

Placement when Passing a Plate. To prevent flatware from falling off when the plate is passed for a second helping,

The fork and knife are centered vertically in the six o'clock position toward the middle of the plate.
Leave enough room to grasp the plate in passage and to provide ample space for the extra serving.

Napkin Etiquette

Placing the Napkin in Your Lap. Wait for the host or hostess to take his or her napkin off the table and place it in his or her lap. (An exception to this rule is buffet-style meals, where you should unfold your napkin when you start eating)

Unfolding the Napkin. Unfold your napkin in one smooth motion without "snapping" or "shaking" it open.

The size determines how you unfold a napkin in your lap.

Large napkins provided at more formal dinners, are unfolded halfway.
Smaller napkins are unfolded completely and cover the lap fully.

Tucking the Napkin. Don't tuck a napkin into your collar, between the buttons of your shirt, or in your belt.

When messy finger food is served before tucking the napkin under the chin or tying it around the neck, look to the host to see if he does the same.

Using the Napkin. Use your napkin frequently during the meal to blot or pat, not wipe, your lips. Blot your lips before taking a drink of your beverage-especially if you're a woman wearing lipstick.

Napkin Rings. If a napkin ring is present, after removing your napkin, place the ring to the top-left of the setting. At the end of the meal, grasp the napkin in the center, pull it through the ring, and lay it on the table with the point facing the center of the table.

Temporarily Leaving the Table. When leaving the table temporarily, put your napkin on your chair. If the chair is upholstered, place the napkin soiled side up.

Placing the Napkin at the End of the Meal. At the meal's end:

The napkin is loosely folded at the end of the meal.
If a plate is in the center of your place setting, when leaving the table lay the napkin to the left of the plate.
If the center of your place setting is empty, the napkin is laid in the middle of the place setting.
Leave your napkin in loose folds that keep soiled parts hidden.
If after-dinner coffee is served at the table, the napkin remains in the lap.

Serving Etiquette
Formal Meals

Food is brought to each diner at the table;
The server presents the platter or bowl on the diner's left,
The food is either accepted or refused.

(Alternatively, plates are prepared in the kitchen and then brought to the table and set before the diners.)

Casual Meals

the host will dish food onto guests' plates to pass around the table; or
the diners help themselves to the food and pass it to others as necessary.

Using Serving Utensils. Some general guidelines for using serving utensils:

Serving utensils are placed on the right side of serveware;
When a serving spoon and serving fork are presented together, the spoon is laid on the right ready to cut and lift and the fork on the left to steady and hold.
The utensils are returned to the platter or serving bowl in the same position.
When a serving spoon is presented on an underplate, after use the utensil is replaced in the bowl (ready for the next person to use).
To protect the hand, the blade of a carving knife faces inward.

Passing Food

Traditionally, food is passed to the left - but the point is for the food to be moving in only one direction.
One diner either holds the dish as the next diner takes some food, or he hands it to the person, who then serves herself.
Any heavy or awkward dishes are put on the table with each pass.
Cream pitchers and other dishes with handles should be passed with the handle toward the person receiving them.
If a platter for sharing is present it is passed around the table, with each diner holding it as the person next to him serves himself, using only the serving utensils provided.

Salt and Pepper Etiquette

Taste Before Salting. Be sure to taste the food before putting salt or pepper on it. That way you can be sure it needs the seasoning.

Pass Salt and Pepper Together. Always pass salt and pepper together. If a person asks for just one, pass both anyway.

Saltcellars. Some hostesses prefer to use old _fashioned saltcellars, which salt shakers have largely replaced.

If there is no spoon in the saltcellar, use the tip of a clean knife to take some salt.
If the salt_cellar is for you alone, you may either use the tip of your knife or you may take a pinch with your fingers.
If it is to be shared with others, never use your fingers or a knife that is not clean.
Salt you have dipped into should be put on the bread-and-butter plate or on the rim of whatever plate is before you.

Bread and Butter Etiquette

Bread is most often placed on the table in a basket that everyone shares.

If the bread is placed in front of you, feel free to pick up the basket and offer it to the person on your left.
If the loaf is not cut, cut a few pieces, offer them to the person to your right, and then pass the basket to your left.
Do not touch the loaf with your fingers, instead use the clothe in the bread basket as a buffer to steady the bread as you slice it.
Place the bread and butter on your butter plate - yours is on your left - then break off a bite sized piece of bread, put a little butter on it, and eat it.
Don't butter the whole piece of bread and then take bites from it.
Don't hold your bread in one hand and a drink in the other (the polite diner uses only one hand at a time), and
Don't take the last piece of bread without first offering it to others.

In some restaurants, olive oil is served with bread. Dip your bite sized pieces of bread in the oil and enjoy.

Because butter is produced in rectangle form, and the butter knife is made with a dull blade to slice butter and a pointed tip to transfer cubes of butter to the plate.
Table Manners During the Meal
When to Start Eating

At a small table of only two to four people, wait until everyone else has been served before starting to eat. At a formal or business meal, you should either wait until everyone is served to start or begin when the host asks you to.
Refusing a Dish

If you're allergic to a food or on a restricted diet, explain to your host (not to the table at large) why you have no choice but to decline.
Main Course

If you order for yourself, you can avoid some of the potential difficulties of a main course by ordering food that is easy to eat and that you’ll know you enjoy.
Clearing the Plates

If the meal is formal, plates will be removed by the staff.
At informal meals, the hostess will probably clear the plates, possibly with one or two guests helping.
At a family meal, members clear their own plates.


Aside from the being a copy and paste from this site http://www.etiquettescholar.com/din...le_manners.html I think it's great that your family does this. It's a dying etiquette and there's nothing less uncultured than seeing vulgar people stuff their faces with no regard for how to do it with style.

One thing you forgot though is wine etiquette;

NEVER, ever, sip the wine before a formal toast or at least a cheers/salute/etc, - I have seen a dinner destroyed before it even started due to this. Always toast in the appropriate manner and language of your guest, or if you are the guest and making the toast, then in the language of your hosts.

Never decant or try to pour the wine, unless you are the host or you are pouring for a lady as a polite gesture.

Never reach across the table when pouring or pour fast. Red wine should be decanted whenever appropriate and at least 30 minutes before the first seating of the meal.

Wine should be served at the correct temperature according to it't type, and not be kept on the table when not directly in use.

Wine should always be poured with the label facing up, one handed at the base of the bottle, thumb in the recessed bottom of the bottle, other hand with cloth to catch any drips(for amateurs).

If you are the host it is your job to taste the wine. If a wine is sub par for any reason (temp, bouquet, cork, acidity, body etc) then do not hesitate to send it back.

If you are the guest, never drink faster than your host, and never ask for wine that you aren't able to finish.

Always fill a glass to appropriate level for that wine and corresponding glass. never serve a wine in the wrong glass.

Always pour champagne down the side of a tilted glass, and red wine nearly always to the center of the bowl.

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Halcyon+On+On
Liebchen



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How uncouth.


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EarnYourKeep
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Location: twentyonetwo

straight hood


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idoru
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Cascadia

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN


Dinner with you sounds so boring. "Uncultured". Fuck.

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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Dinner with you sounds so boring. "Uncultured". Fuck.


Yeah, 'cos eating spagettyo's with your hands is so exciting/subversive. I suppose you feel like such a rebel when scratch your nads at the table

The thing is, this shit becomes completely second nature once you know it, and the best part is, you can choose not to observe them when it's not needed, but it means I won't squirm like you will if you go to a formal dinner or to a 5* restaurant or eat with cultured company

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