Why is Richie Hawtin #1?

Not saying that as a slap... I'd just like to know (with facts/examples) why some choose to worship him so.

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Absolutely terrible list, if I'm perfectly honest. I can't determine any kind of criteria that went into these selections - it's as if you haven't bothered to work out exactly how you determine "influence" before you wrote it. I've no idea why you'd arbitrarily start with the birth of "house and techno", because that removes the entire point of the exercise, and even taking your list on face value, why on Earth are Tiesto and Goldie in the Top 5?

Realistically, there are two ways to quantify "influence". You either go on the names that have actually got the most people into dance music and inspired them to make music themselves (which becomes a list dominated by people like The Prodigy and Daft Punk) or you go on the innovators, without whom none of the others would have happened.

The second method is the most informative, and it would be a run-down of primordial pioneers like Kraftwerk, King Tubby, Eno, Morodor, Klaus Schulz and then onto '80s figureheads: NYC's breakbeat protagonists Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa (without whom you can kiss hardcore, drum 'n bass, big beat and trip-hop goodbye), the Belleville Trio, Chicago's house heroes (Frankie Knuckles, Ron Hardy, Marshall Jefferson etc.), DJ Afredo (without whom Oakie, Rampling, Holloway and the rest would never have brought Ibizan club culture back to the UK and there'd be no acid house explosion and no rave scene)... and then if you've got any space left you might just be able to move onto the first acts of the '90s, the likes of The KLF, Aphex Twin and Hawtin.

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Everybody complaining about the order: he wrote "no particular order." He's not ranking them against each other.

I'm guessing he just numbered them for convenience.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I've no idea why you'd arbitrarily start with the birth of "house and techno"

Because I wanted to see what electronic dance music artists people think have been the most influential. Because as becomes apparent in your post, if you set the timeframe earlier, you can pretty much fill the entire list with pre-EDM pioneers.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Absolutely terrible list, if I'm perfectly honest. I can't determine any kind of criteria that went into these selections - it's as if you haven't bothered to work out exactly how you determine "influence" before you wrote it. I've no idea why you'd arbitrarily start with the birth of "house and techno", because that removes the entire point of the exercise, and even taking your list on face value, why on Earth are Tiesto and Goldie in the Top 5? Realistically, there are two ways to quantify "influence". You either go on the names that have actually got the most people into dance music and inspired them to make music themselves (which becomes a list dominated by people like The Prodigy and Daft Punk) or you go on the innovators, without whom none of the others would have happened. The second method is the most informative, and it would be a run-down of primordial pioneers like Kraftwerk, King Tubby, Eno, Morodor, Klaus Schulz and then onto '80s figureheads: NYC's breakbeat protagonists Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa (without whom you can kiss hardcore, drum 'n bass, big beat and trip-hop goodbye), the Belleville Trio, Chicago's house heroes (Frankie Knuckles, Ron Hardy, Marshall Jefferson etc.), DJ Afredo (without whom Oakie, Rampling, Holloway and the rest would never have brought Ibizan club culture back to the UK and there'd be no acid house explosion and no rave scene)... and then if you've got any space left you might just be able to move onto the first acts of the '90s, the likes of The KLF, Aphex Twin and Hawtin.

so you are essentially saying that i sunk woony's battleship.

also i forgot DMX and Diddy.

For Holland Ben Liebrand would be in the list for inspiring many Dutch DJ's and Producers like Olav Basoski, DJ Dano, Speedy J, Armin van Buuren and Tiësto.

http://www.liebrand.nl/inspired/

In this Dutch interview they call him the Godfather of Dutch dance:

http://partyflock.nl/interview/62:B...ndse_dance.html

But it's difficult to count influence I guess. These days a popular DJ might inspire much more people then back then. On the other hand putting it in a time line and things could be different if the first hadn't been there.

Personally I would put J.M.J. in the list too.

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Originally posted by zyklon-jay 1.Karlheinz Stockhausen 7.Brian Eno 15.Boards Of Canada really this is futile because so many are omitted and i can't really give a proper order. the music nerd in me is fighting.

respect their work but for dance music?

Influential as in what? What exactly do you mean with INFLUENTIAL? As in what DJ has the most influence over others? What DJ actually influenced change in the scene? What DJ influences other DJ's? What? There's DJ's that are shot callers and get things done and there's also DJ's that are taste makers/innovators and a lot more.

There's several DJ's I still haven't seen mentioned that IMO have overall influence in the EDM world... Like Sasha & Digweed.

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Here's an example of an influential DJ: Paris Hilton. You can't argue that she isn't influential. For fuks sake, her debut performance was at a Massive Festival. Are her skills questionable? Yes, but are we talking about influences or skills? Two different things.

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