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TranceLover007
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quote:
Originally posted by Trancelover03591
A couple of weeks ago I made a track I knew didn't have any commercial appeal. It was just 'streight from the heart' as you put it Darius. Man, it came together pretty effortlessly. It was a perfect reflection of what I was feeling.



You said that this is coming straight from your heart -> and I can hear it big time man, it was just perfect time for calm reflection reevaluation.

Your best production so far by mile -> now you can see what you can do without those restrictions and controlling boundaries in your music, I will be always saying (and will always support of this concept) "Let the music flow, let it form itself naturally"

Cheers mate,

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Trancelover03591
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quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
You said that this is coming straight from your heart -> and I can hear it big time man, it was just perfect time for calm reflection reevaluation.

Your best production so far by mile -> now you can see what you can do without those restrictions and controlling boundaries in your music, I will be always saying (and will always support of this concept) "Let the music flow, let it form itself naturally"

Cheers mate,

Darek


Thanks. It is a simple song so it was easier to mix well and such.

It originally started as a dubstep track. I think I will finish the dubstep version too.


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TranceLover007
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quote:
Originally posted by Trancelover03591
Thanks. It is a simple song so it was easier to mix well and such.

It originally started as a dubstep track. I think I will finish the dubstep version too.


Just don't force it too much - in music either you have it or you don't, either you feel it or you not !!!

This track is going right direction for now !!!


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That is a good point. However, the second climax in my opinion should contain just a little more of a payoff. That second climax takes place about 2/3 the way through still. Also the buildup to the second climax is usually a little bigger.

I am honestly not trying to promote my track (it is a very rough draft). But it is a good example I think. The second climax at 4.22 adds a final new 'lead' which kind of puts it over the top and makes it one step above the previous one at 2.14. The Avicii track also demonstrates a bigger buildup to the second drop.



Totally agree 100%.

For commercial music you can do:

Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus

The bridge can have the highest energy, with the chorus having the 2nd most, and the verses the least.

Or the last chorus is beefed up:



As far as personal listening is concerned, once I hit the climax of the song I am done with it. Next song please!

A lot of the new tarnce peaks way too quickly.



I love that older style gear shift when the breakdown goes into the chorus:


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Fucking lol.

props to you Alfi - you managed to explain that with possibly the worst/funniest selection of examples I have ever seen. Well played, sir.

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i prefer the older forms that were more elaborate. What i stated was just how things are going. EDM for people with ADD or pop music.


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i prefer the older forms that were more elaborate.


Example or two? No Scot Project Plz. :P


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not fair not to mention scot project. That was his thing.


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Trancelover03591
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I have used this track as an example for various things on this forum before. It is just about my favorite 'modern' trance song. Though, in this context, it is an illustration of an older style structure I allude to earlier in the thread, when trance tracks were well over 9 minutes long, with climaxes halfway (rather than 2/3) thru the track.

The climax is roughly half-way through at 5.11 on a track over 9 minutes long. The breakdown is nearly 2 full minutes.




oh yeah, just for fun SCOT PROJECT did a remix of it too:


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Originally posted by Beatflux
Totally agree 100%.

For commercial music you can do:

Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus

The bridge can have the highest energy, with the chorus having the 2nd most, and the verses the least.

Or the last chorus is beefed up:



As far as personal listening is concerned, once I hit the climax of the song I am done with it. Next song please!

A lot of the new tarnce peaks way too quickly.



I love that older style gear shift when the breakdown goes into the chorus:



Thanks for the analysis. I know the riff of the LMFAO song but I didn't know that song clocked in at over 6 minutes. I kind of like the Sash! style of trance :P


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The vinyl of this track also has an interesting pattern in its grooves.

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not fair not to mention scot project. That was his thing.




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