Hang on, this isn't making any sense.

That OWC drive is absolutely horrendous value and even if you;re travelling ever weekend, you don't need a 1tb drive. 256gb will be fine until you get to your time machine backup.

Don't forget 1gb is just under two full hours of 24b/96k uncompressed wav.

So taking in to account your OS (approx 60gb with all programs installed on the primary) a 256gb drive would have 195gb left. So you never want to go above 90% of that so you've got say 170gb of space on your primary drive.

That means 340 hours of recording at 24bit/96k or roughly two full weeks of non stop recording.

So as long as you get to you backup/archive drive at least once every two weeks (of course assuming that your laptop is recording 24/7) you'll have enough space.

See what i'm getting at?

But then again, you have to be a muppet not to have a backup drive (at least USB thumb drive) with you if you're travelling so much.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Hang on, this isn't making any sense. That OWC drive is absolutely horrendous value and even if you;re travelling ever weekend, you don't need a 1tb drive. 256gb will be fine until you get to your time machine backup. Don't forget 1gb is just under two full hours of 24b/96k uncompressed wav. So taking in to account your OS (approx 60gb with all programs installed on the primary) a 256gb drive would have 195gb left. So you never want to go above 90% of that so you've got say 170gb of space on your primary drive. That means 340 hours of recording at 24bit/96k or roughly two full weeks of non stop recording. So as long as you get to you backup/archive drive at least once every two weeks (of course assuming that your laptop is recording 24/7) you'll have enough space. See what i'm getting at? But then again, you have to be a muppet not to have a backup drive (at least USB thumb drive) with you if you're travelling so much.

For one, I do have a stationary backup drive at home that I plug into, and use a direct backup method of important content and documents using DropBox. Two, a 256GB SSD makes no sense for a full-on producer, sound-designer, graphic designer, and student on the road. I have nearly 500GB worth of samples and content on its own currently on my 750GB stock HDD. As I said earlier, I simply refuse to carry around an external hard drive that I have to plug-in when, for example, I'd like to finish something up in Ableton or After Effects on the train.

About the OWC SSD, I did say if you have 1k to burn. A 960GB SSD for one grand isn't a terrible deal at all.

Back to the OP, the best bang for your buck right now would be a hybrid HDD/SSD, such as the Seagate Momentus XT 750GB or the upcoming WD hybrid, which they just announced. You don't really need an SSD at all. A 7200RPM hybrid drive works enough wonders, both in speed and space.

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Originally posted by Anakratis For one, I do have a stationary backup drive at home that I plug into, and use a direct backup method of important content and documents using DropBox. Two, a 256GB SSD makes no sense for a full-on producer, sound-designer, graphic designer, and student on the road. I have nearly 500GB worth of samples and content on its own currently on my 750GB stock HDD. As I said earlier, I simply refuse to carry around an external hard drive that I have to plug-in when, for example, I'd like to finish something up in Ableton or After Effects on the train. About the OWC SSD, I did say if you have 1k to burn. A 960GB SSD for one grand isn't a terrible deal at all. Back to the OP, the best bang for your buck right now would be a hybrid HDD/SSD, such as the Seagate Momentus XT 750GB or the upcoming WD hybrid, which they just announced. You don't really need an SSD at all. A 7200RPM hybrid drive works enough wonders, both in speed and space.

I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense.

Hybrid drives are terrible; you're doubling the chances of drive failure (one part breaks, the drive as a whole stops working) and they are nothing more than a temporary market stop gap between expensive SSD's and cheap HDD's. They will be completely pointless as soon as SSD's become cheaper.

They're also only marginally better performance than a normal HDD, and significantly worse than a good SSD.

In terms of market pressures right now, it's spend the money and get an SSD or go cheap and buy a good fast HDD. Hyrbids suck on both counts; comparatively expensive to an HDD without the full performance of an SSD.

The other reason I saw the OWC is crap value is that in 2 years time a 1tb SSD will be under $400 and they'll be twice as fast as anything available now.

If it's about carrying around samples, then get one small SSD for OS and Apps, then a large (2tb) internal HDD. Every daw out there lets you automatically copy used audio files/patches to the working project file which should be on your primary drive anyway.

You really don't need all your samples on a primary internal drive (and shouldn't in best practice anyway as if you OS drive fails, you're not losing them or having to copy you're entire sample library back on to a new primary OS drive).

Do what you want, but I'm telling you from a pro audio production perspective, you're not thinking about your setup in the right way.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense. Hybrid drives are terrible; you're doubling the chances of drive failure (one part breaks, the drive as a whole stops working) and they are nothing more than a temporary market stop gap between expensive SSD's and cheap HDD's. They will be completely pointless as soon as SSD's become cheaper. They're also only marginally better performance than a normal HDD, and significantly worse than a good SSD. In terms of market pressures right now, it's spend the money and get an SSD or go cheap and buy a good fast HDD. Hyrbids suck on both counts; comparatively expensive to an HDD without the full performance of an SSD. The other reason I saw the OWC is crap value is that in 2 years time a 1tb SSD will be under $400 and they'll be twice as fast as anything available now. If it's about carrying around samples, then get one small SSD for OS and Apps, then a large (2tb) internal HDD. Every daw out there lets you automatically copy used audio files/patches to the working project file which should be on your primary drive anyway. You really don't need all your samples on a primary internal drive (and shouldn't in best practice anyway as if you OS drive fails, you're not losing them or having to copy you're entire sample library back on to a new primary OS drive). Do what you want, but I'm telling you from a pro audio production perspective, you're not thinking about your setup in the right way.

Thanks man, it does make sense what you are saying - good advice for future consideration

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense. Hybrid drives are terrible; you're doubling the chances of drive failure (one part breaks, the drive as a whole stops working) and they are nothing more than a temporary market stop gap between expensive SSD's and cheap HDD's. They will be completely pointless as soon as SSD's become cheaper. They're also only marginally better performance than a normal HDD, and significantly worse than a good SSD. In terms of market pressures right now, it's spend the money and get an SSD or go cheap and buy a good fast HDD. Hyrbids suck on both counts; comparatively expensive to an HDD without the full performance of an SSD. The other reason I saw the OWC is crap value is that in 2 years time a 1tb SSD will be under $400 and they'll be twice as fast as anything available now. If it's about carrying around samples, then get one small SSD for OS and Apps, then a large (2tb) internal HDD. Every daw out there lets you automatically copy used audio files/patches to the working project file which should be on your primary drive anyway. You really don't need all your samples on a primary internal drive (and shouldn't in best practice anyway as if you OS drive fails, you're not losing them or having to copy you're entire sample library back on to a new primary OS drive). Do what you want, but I'm telling you from a pro audio production perspective, you're not thinking about your setup in the right way.

Ugh. Congrats on your big-headed ideas of pro audio. I'm sure it works well but I didn't ask for your worthless advice for my setup. I'm done having to explain myself for things I didn't ask for. I suggest you focus on the OPs inquiry rather than sassing my "setup".

I have yet to have a hybrid drive fail on me and with regular backups you'll be just fine. 90 bucks, 750GB hybrid. Done deal. If you want an external drive, then go with what L4C and RANN have been suggesting.

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Originally posted by Anakratis Ugh. Congrats on your big-headed ideas of pro audio. I'm sure it works well but I didn't ask for your worthless advice for my setup. I'm done having to explain myself for things I didn't ask for. I suggest you focus on the OPs inquiry rather than sassing my "setup". I have yet to have a hybrid drive fail on me and with regular backups you'll be just fine. 90 bucks, 750GB hybrid. Done deal. If you want an external drive, then go with what L4C and RANN have been suggesting.

well if you don't want comments about your setup, stop giving shit advice about it then.

not starting a fight but I do this shit for a living, and Hybrids only exist because SSD's aren't (yet) cheaper for large drives. They may well fine for you but in the grand scheme of things and anyone setting something up from pro audio, they're really not a great choice. They will be obsolete IMO within 2 years time, replaced with cheap better performing SSD's.

I'm just saying for For under $350 you can get Samsung or Intel SSD large enough for all your OS needs and a large (2tb) internal drive for all your projects/samples.

Problem solved. No need for hybrids or expensive large SSD's.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN well if you don't want comments about your setup, stop giving shit advice about it then. not starting a fight but I do this shit for a living, and Hybrids only exist because SSD's aren't (yet) cheaper for large drives. They may well fine for you but in the grand scheme of things and anyone setting something up from pro audio, they're really not a great choice. They will be obsolete IMO within 2 years time, replaced with cheap better performing SSD's. I'm just saying for For under $350 you can get Samsung or Intel SSD large enough for all your OS needs and a large (2tb) internal drive for all your projects/samples. Problem solved. No need for hybrids or expensive large SSD's.

Don't care - doesn't mean something is crap because you say it is. Shit or not, it's advice formulated on opinions of a person. You have something that's perfect to you, I have something that's perfect for me. OP didn't specify whether he wants a stationary studio with loads of backup and data drives or a simple mobile studio without cables all over the place, therefore, everything is to be considered.

He has more than enough options to choose from our suggestions, so let him do so.

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they have a higher failure rate. And you don't have a backup so anything done on that drive, while you are away well i would go with both drives is acceptable to lose.

I don't know. I suppose you need to experience a drive failure to understand how paranoid it will make you. It has nothing to do with how you run it. It is just luck of the draw. Lacie has this really small external thunderbolt with 2 TB. It is small enough for a dj with carry on luggage only. And you can also just keep a double of your system drive in the same pouch.

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