Those tv film scores sound so bad tho. I mean some of it is ridiculous. 24 had the worst fucking music. Never understood how that guy managed to not get replaced. All thosevsample librairies sound awful without hours of manipulation. But most people cannot tell either from the sound or the way they are triggered that it is a sample. It completely gets in the way for me enjoying something because part of good scoring is to be transparent and these scores just punch you in the kidney they are so noticeable. 24 was actuallybone show I just could not watch because of the music. It was just fucking awful. Some feature films are also so fucking bad that the reference is the sample library and you get real orvhestras trying to sound like a library.

But the technology is not so much the issue. You can make libraries sound good. It requires about 10x the man hours than actually writing the music. Hence why you still have real orchestras. I remember a thing for my portfolio that sounded completely real. It fooled everyone including the guys that live in the government subsidized modern composition world were samples so not allowed. The music took about 1 day. Production of it took 2 months.

There are some artists in every genre that sand out and you usually find forums with page long discussions regarding how to sound like say noisia. And those artists tend to be the ones that put the time in.

Preset jockeys stick out like a sore thumb.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Mar-06-2013 at 17:21

look at the new Ableton 32Gb library of samples + all the minimal techno drum patterns, one then has Machine too and then all the lazy ass packs one can buy on top.
10 years ago you could hammer away for a couple of days to get the right sounds, the right vibe and the right pattern, now you just monitor some categorized loops or prefab midi patterns/sample kits, drag them in and you're set, no talent needed AT ALL. As it already has been done FOR you. no skills needed, you only have to make the "artistic" decissions, you merely need to select a chord progression from the wizard and bang "new track"

Imagine what happens when you buy the new Komplete and Omnisphere as well. You've got like half a Terrabyte of content.

One no longer needs musical knowledge as there are chord progression wizards, you now can deduct chords and melodies from audio files
one can then put swing and pace into templates.

If one is smart enough to think and end in mind, one now can get there without any musical knowlegde just by puzzling it all together.
As a bonus, it's all available for free in the interwebz too. All barriers are removed.

Personally, I'm getting really frustrated with this trend. It's a reality I need to accept, as it's there and it will not go away, but I'll certainly not embrace it. It even drives me to the point where I really start to dislike a lot of dance music and getting more interested in old mans electronic music
for me it's very difficult to accept that the audience doesn't give a shit of how you make your sounds, al long as it sounds like now. The more I think about it the more it drives me to do stuff different.

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but they aren't making good music. Access doesn't really make a good product. You just have alot of shit. Everyone has access to the same alphabet and words yet some seem to make better books. You won't find the good producers ever just using a sample for say a snare. Despite the thousands of snare samples, they all seem to use layering, parallel processing ....

sample libraries are usually made by those that aren't quite good enough and the material is usually either junk or a selection of sounds from other libraries.

But people lack a discerning ear and buy listen to these producers.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney but they aren't making good music. Access doesn't really make a good product. You just have alot of shit. Everyone has access to the same alphabet and words yet some seem to make better books.

That's true and yes there are exceptions ofcourse but not so many
and yes a strong meoldy still requires skill, as much as energy distribution throughout a song, mixing skills to a certain extend etc etc
It's not that black and white.
but 20 years ago one could say, wow that's a phat beat, how did you make that one? what synths, what swing etc etc
now the only question is "which looppack did you get that beat from?".... (and can you give me a torrent link? )

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This is why I'm going back to hardware. With a little dip into software for garnish.

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and do what they did 10 years ago ?

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I'm not that far advanced yet. I plan on going back to 1994 at the latest.

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Lol, i'm with you, bought a Cirklon and TT-303, going DAW less, midi outboard only.
DAW for mixing and audio mixdown only.

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this is what i don't get, IF you are all about using like the foundations and really using your own mind and ideas, would you not use something like reaktor ? I mean you guys talk the talk but i'm pretty sure you couldn't play your own drum beat and would have to use a quantizer. You could not program a Square wave using saw waves as a source. I guess i just find it silly to fight the new trend of not learning by going backwards.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney this is what i don't get, IF you are all about using like the foundations and really using your own mind and ideas, would you not use something like reaktor ? I mean you guys talk the talk but i'm pretty sure you couldn't play your own drum beat and would have to use a quantizer. You could not program a Square wave using saw waves as a source. I guess i just find it silly to fight the new trend of not learning by going backwards.

Less is more, i program everything myself, never use loops or samples
And in my case just prefer to do things different, limit posibilities and be creative
Ofcourse can all be one ITB too, it just sounds different and doesn't inspire me as much

It's not as much about keeping skills up to speed, it's about freedom of choice of how you want to work, what you envision as end in mind and how to want to get there.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I just caught the hint: "super CHARGE your beat". Yup, it's got to be Battery 4. I wonder if it will integrate seamlessly with my Maschine controller. That would be killer.

lol, I didn't put 2+2 together - yep, that looks like what we're going to get, and it has to integrate with maschine.

My only hope is that they don't pull a guru and try to build a sequencer in to it. I love the fact (and is the reason I've stuck with) Battery is a just an advanced drum cell rack.

@all of you discussing the current state of EDM and whether to go hardware or software. Do whatever inspires you. I love certain Hardware and I love certain software. Whatever forces you to be creative in the best possible way. Hardware makes you think harder and is more fun to use, especially as you have to compose the sog rather than just copying loop sections, but remember, if you fall in that trap of making boring or formulaic music because a DAW makes it too easy, it's not the DAW's fault.

You can't blame a calculator because you've become shit at maths. If anything the calculator should let you do maths that previously would have taken you forever to manually work out. The problem is laziness and complacency, not the technology.

Oh and for the last fucking time Richie, please quit it with the Reaktor. We get it, it's great and fun and everything else, but only if you have an autistic level of concentration and hours upon hours to make every single sound from first LFO up when you should have really showered 4 days ago. It probably only applies to 0.5 of the professional producing market. It's truly not even needed if you're making house or trance to play out in clubs. Sure if you're doing score sample development or pro level sound design then great, but for a decent track to gurn to? Using a cannon to kill a mosquito (you better give me the film reference, without googling)