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Originally posted by djdawn yes there are...you can possibly fit 780 on a 700 MB CDR and there are special 800 MB CDRs, too. But you need a Drive that supports "overburning" and in Nero you have to enable it before it works, too (it's in the expert section of setup).

according to my knowledge (and experience) theres no way in hell U could put 780mb on a 700mb cdr. Ive done 712mb MAX and thats the limit..

youre right abt the 800mb cdrs, though.. they are out there but theyre expensive compared to 700mb cdrs..

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the way audio cd are burnt and normal cds with files are different. Each standard requires different sector size which varies the effective useful data you can hold on a cd...

thats why its 700 megs of effective data file you can hold on a cd.
and about 800 megs of audio on the same cd...

heck they could invent a standard that has 50 megs of data only and take the whole cd....

get the idea?

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Originally posted by djthunderbird according to my knowledge (and experience) theres no way in hell U could put 780mb on a 700mb cdr. Ive done 712mb MAX and thats the limit..

yes there is.

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That's interesting because I've quite often downloaded movies that are ~710-715MB in size but are clearly labelled as CD1, CD2 etc.

How reliable is overburning in Nero? I mean surely that's gotta create incompatibility problems with some readers...

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Hmmm, when i was gonna burn 2 movie parts to a 700mb cd nero had to convert the movies to less quality to fit on the disk

The movies were originally like 760mb or something..

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well, not all Drives support overburning. Also, different brands of CDRs have different maximum capacity.
There was a great site at come.to/cdspeed but it's down. They had tests on all types of drives and CDRs and the guy who ran the site had a screenshot of succesfully burning a 99 min Audio CD.

But there are problems with playback in certain drives. You just have to test that yourself and see if your player will work...

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I don't know if you know about WMA or not but windows media player rips cds in WMA format. they are half the size of mp3s with almost better quality. When I play mp3s then switch to WMA I have to turn the sound down a bit.

Anyway.. A while ago I downloaded this new version of Nero from kazaa and it's got a WMA burning option that's playable with a cd player. So you can practically fit twice as many songs as mp3s on a cd and play it on a cd player.

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Originally posted by Illusion I don't know if you know about WMA or not but windows media player rips cds in WMA format. they are half the size of mp3s with almost better quality.

I wouldn't recommend WMA to anybody. The reason that it's compression sometimes beats mp3 is because M$ have had the cash to plough into R & D for it.. they've come up with something reasonable, but it's Digital Rights Management is a pile of shat that justs wastes our time, and it's not cross-platform as such.. and would be very difficult to get decoders for it.

The only reason WMA is so popular is because computer newbies see that they can rip CDs onto their hdds with Windows Media Player and assume it's the only way to do it..

I would recommend OGG Vorbis if you're serious about how your sound quality is. All we need to do now is to let it catch on (I don't see many WMA or OGG files showing up on DC hub searches...)

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i've seen a couple of wma files on the hub but like 1 every 20 searches. i would just stick with mp3 too.

There are now double density CD-R's and CD-RW's available now in case you dont know.

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Also remember that some space is taken up by the TOC (Table O Contents) on a CD. Maybe that's where the other 20MB or so is going.