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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights While it is the most prescribed, and probably the most 'effective' (whatever that really means in this context), it's certainly..well, let's say 'far from perfect'.

It's better than being bipolar.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 It's better than being bipolar.

See but I think that's very subjective. A friend of mine struggled for a long time to get off of lithium because she couldn't stand feeling like a zombie, and how life had become a constant, boring gray.
Is that really better?

I think in general there exists a problem whereby it is not acceptable to include pain and suffering as part of the human experience. People will, understandably, do just about anything to avoid these experiences, and as such we are losing the ability to cope with them without popping pills - it takes too much time and effort to do anything else.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights See but I think that's very subjective. A friend of mine struggled for a long time to get off of lithium because she couldn't stand feeling like a zombie, and how life had become a constant, boring gray. Is that really better?

I'd imagine that would be better than going from episodes of mania to extreme bouts of depression, yes.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

Back in high school there was an info session by a psychologist and he said essentially, if you abuse drugs or medicine such as painkillers it's going to numb your mind - translated: you are gonna wind up retarded (that's my view on it) so that preetty much scared the sh*t out of me to not eeeever do any drugs . Can't imagine how I began the smoking, though, I guess you can afford a couple of times to say "fuck it".
About coping with pain - mental or physical, well, yeah, we are not designed to, BUT it doesn't mean we are not able to. Shit is going to happen nonetheless, blocking out all the "pain" is like walking around like a zombie and zombies are retarded, last time I checked.

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson I think in general there exists a problem whereby it is not acceptable to include pain and suffering as part of the human experience. People will, understandably, do just about anything to avoid these experiences, and as such we are losing the ability to cope with them without popping pills - it takes too much time and effort to do anything else.

Stunning analysis. Give us more.

Oh fuck off. Honestly.

I see it everyday at work. This idea of the "good patient", who is never in pain, never needs anything, never "whiny", etc. It's bullshit. People get sick and have pain and feel depressed sometimes - for some people it's all the time. Why can't people allow themselves to feel that way? Allow themselves the experience of being sick/in pain/whatever? Not to wallow in it, but to be present in that experience and find resilience in living through it?

Nope, just pop some pills instead and never complain about anything, ever!

Not that I discount the importance and effectiveness of pharmaceuticals in many situations, just saying.

lol I swear she thinks she's Gregory House.

I bet if she was dying from cancer she'd surely just stick through the pain and be "present in that experience and find resilience in living through it."

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson Oh fuck off. Honestly. I see it everyday at work. This idea of the "good patient", who is never in pain, never needs anything, never "whiny", etc. It's bullshit. People get sick and have pain and feel depressed sometimes - for some people it's all the time. Why can't people allow themselves to feel that way? Allow themselves the experience of being sick/in pain/whatever? Not to wallow in it, but to be present in that experience and find resilience in living through it? Nope, just pop some pills instead and never complain about anything, ever! Not that I discount the importance and effectiveness of pharmaceuticals in many situations, just saying.

I thought of something when I read that. "Just pop some pills" - so you believe they work, because that what the package description says? You just gave me an idea, I am going to replace my colleagues painkillers with placebos and see what the guy makes of it.

What?