After EDC 09, the crowd just turned awful the next year. Yeah I'm jaded, fuck it. The festival scene is a joke

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This should make them some money. Lol. Wow. It's almost comical to hear what promoters in Vegas can get rich people to throw down for. I would just have promoters walking around the nice casinos looking for dudes who won a shitload of money selling them a package on the spot!

seems as though they'll be profitable this year... how so remains the questions.

ticket sales should cover pretty much all costs if not leave some profit. Add in VIP and tables and sponsors and hotel commissions seems as though they'll make a few million but that's only like 10% so not a huge profit margin.

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Originally posted by Cool1g seems as though they'll be profitable this year... how so remains the questions. ticket sales should cover pretty much all costs if not leave some profit. Add in VIP and tables and sponsors and hotel commissions seems as though they'll make a few million but that's only like 10% so not a huge profit margin.

I believe their assets include positive vibes, beautiful people, and "the experience", which are intangibles that make the company an extra 20-30%.

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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy After EDC 09, the crowd just turned awful the next year. Yeah I'm jaded, fuck it. The festival scene is a joke

Look at what happened to the music after 2009, good music tanked as the rise of cheesEDM took place.

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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy After EDC 09, the crowd just turned awful the next year. Yeah I'm jaded, fuck it. The festival scene is a joke

Are you guys seriously trying to argue that at EDC 09 there was a large percentage of quality EDM fans in the crowd?

I'd say the music has gotten more poppy/cheesy/repetitive (in terms of track selection) for sure but the crowd is WAY more educated, especially at EDC. Back in the 2000's it's a bunch of kids with pacifiers, glowsticks, and 0 regard for who is playing. Armin van who?! I gotta sit on the ground in my cuddle puddle and watch this lightshow! I remember EDC 07 literally the entire back 50% of the coliseum grounds was just people sitting down doing lightshows and smoking.

Please don't pretend like EDC 09 was some sort of golden age. I would take today's EDC crowd over 09 any year, personally. I'd rather tolerate some "rage" bros over cuddle puddles and e-tards. These days there are way more people singing along, excited about the DJ, and excited to actually dance and enjoy the music rather than sit around and look at glow sticks. That stuff still happens too of course, but it's a little more sidelined and more prevalent at the smaller events / warehouse parties / etc.

I think the crowd has gotten better and so has the experience - free water, faster lines, better stage productions. In my opinion at this point it's the DJs and talent bookers who are dropping the ball - playing repeat sets and offering the same lineups over and over, not taking any risks.

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Originally posted by msilin Are you guys seriously trying to argue that at EDC 09 there was a large percentage of quality EDM fans in the crowd? I'd say the music has gotten more poppy/cheesy/repetitive (in terms of track selection) for sure but the crowd is WAY more educated, especially at EDC.

I can't speak to previous years, but last year I would certainly not called the people I encountered "educated."

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Originally posted by msilin Are you guys seriously trying to argue that at EDC 09 there was a large percentage of quality EDM fans in the crowd? I'd say the music has gotten more poppy/cheesy/repetitive (in terms of track selection) for sure but the crowd is WAY more educated, especially at EDC. Back in the 2000's it's a bunch of kids with pacifiers, glowsticks, and 0 regard for who is playing. Armin van who?! I gotta sit on the ground in my cuddle puddle and watch this lightshow! I remember EDC 07 literally the entire back 50% of the coliseum grounds was just people sitting down doing lightshows and smoking. Please don't pretend like EDC 09 was some sort of golden age. I would take today's EDC crowd over 09 any year, personally. I'd rather tolerate some "rage" bros over cuddle puddles and e-tards. These days there are way more people singing along, excited about the DJ, and excited to actually dance and enjoy the music rather than sit around and look at glow sticks. That stuff still happens too of course, but it's a little more sidelined and more prevalent at the smaller events / warehouse parties / etc. I think the crowd has gotten better and so has the experience - free water, faster lines, better stage productions. In my opinion at this point it's the DJs and talent bookers who are dropping the ball - playing repeat sets and offering the same lineups over and over, not taking any risks.

Lol at this wall of text.

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the golden age was way before EDC 09. 09 was the beginning of the end.

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everyones 'golden age' is marked by when they first got into the scene.

i swear some of you sound like a bunch of old folks squawking about "back in MY day" blah blah blah.

you're getting older, music is evolving and you are not evolving with it. each year there is a new crop of 18yo who are loving THEIR 'golden age' and in a few years many of them will sound just like you do now.

"remember back at edc 2013 when we got 'caked by steve aioki' Ah yeah and like mike and dimitri vegas were dropping it hard all night"

it happens...

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Originally posted by Paradox-SJ everyones 'golden age' is marked by when they first got into the scene. i swear some of you sound like a bunch of old folks squawking about "back in MY day" blah blah blah. you're getting older, music is evolving and you are not evolving with it. each year there is a new crop of 18yo who are loving THEIR 'golden age' and in a few years many of them will sound just like you do now. "remember back at edc 2013 when we got 'caked by steve aioki' Ah yeah and like mike and dimitri vegas were dropping it hard all night" it happens...

Seriously. Lots of rose colored glasses in this thread. Whoever posted about older EDC's (and massives in general) being giant drugfest cuddle puddles is absolutely right. The new fans, bro-ey as they are, are surprisingly knowledgeable and into their music. On the shuttles to EDC last year all I heard were conversations about the acts, timeslots, etc. Sure, I wasn't about to have a convo about Guy Gerber with any of them, but they knew the music and acts from their scene.

Besides, when we were getting started none of us knew half of the acts on the fliers either.

"WHO IS THIS GUY HE'S AMAZING!"
"FERRY CORSTEN!"
"OH MY GODDDDDD!!!!"

Last year I didn't bother to memorize timeslots for anyone at EDC except the techno stage, but whenever I got to a new stage I could just ask whoever was next to me who was playing and they'd give me a funny look and be like "this is Afrojack" (or whoever) and kinda snicker.

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