honestly what do people expect to accomplish by posting this kind of video?

"oh look at me i'm exposing them for who they really are. and i'm so enlightened and forward thinking"


no one gives a shit.


don't most people just get tired of the back and forth pointlessness of trying to make people think like them whichever side they land on? just believe what you want to believe and enjoy life.

Showed this to my sister.

She turned into bitch mode and said "THANKS FOR WHITESPLAINING RACISM!"

"aren't you whitesplaining racism?"

"No! $@)(#@*)( %#)@"

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Originally posted by de+ Dawkins already has an answer for you.

Except...

• Neither did I say I was embarrassed (I'm not);
  
• Nor did I put forth an argument;
  
• Also, it's theology, theism, and atheist, as this radical comes from the Greek word theos. If I ever say I'm embarrassed to be an "athiest", it won't be because of my irreligiosity

Edit: I've talked about this topic so many times ago, and I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again because "OMG, RELIGION SUCKS". Have you ever read a book on this issue that isn't penned by a New Atheist (Dawkins/Harris/Hitchens/etc)? Do you get any insights from sources other than Youtube videos? Have you ever read a book about the actual relationship between science and religion?

The sheer fact you can't spell the word "atheist" over and over again kind of gives away your lack of knowledge about the topic, and it seems you're very passionate about it, so it would be nice if you knew a bit more about it so you don't get trapped by poor debaters like the bloke in the original video you posted

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Originally posted by BTG Showed this to my sister. She turned into bitch mode and said "THANKS FOR WHITESPLAINING RACISM!"

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Ah yes. This is very common as well

"OK, you aren’t a racist at all, but you are a bigot, giving needless hurt and offence"




How can the assertion of undeniable facts be bigotry? Should we refrain from stating uncomfortable facts for fear of giving hurt and offence? I don't think so.

There is a difference between a religion and religious ideology and the people who follow that religion. I'm not saying anything at all about all muslims. When I criticise islam, I'm criticising a religious ideology. I've criticised christianity too, especially Catholicism and the Catholic Church but the fact that there are some things that the Church has said, or even interpretations of the bible, which I don't like doesn't mean that all christians believe those things either. Attacking religions, any religion, is fair game but attacking followers of that religion just for being followers is not. For some reason though, it's only when one criticises islam that you are accused of attacking muslims for being muslims by the so-called liberals and "progressives", you are generally not accused of attacking christians for being christians if you criticise christianity (except perhaps by few fundamentalist christians but most christians don't accuse you of that).

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Originally posted by de+ How can the assertion of undeniable facts be bigotry?

Through consequent intolerance of those facts?

The problem here is the vague generalisation of this whole discourse, with no real examples cited. Yes, some liberals are overly-sensitive about criticism towards Islam which can be attributed to white liberal guilt, but that doesn't mean every liberal or progressive complaint of racism is unfounded. A lot of people who say "I'm not racist, I'm just telling the truth" are actually being very racist, or at least bigoted and prejudiced. It all depends on the specific argument being put forward and the specific cry of "racism!" being made. Anyone who feels the need to blanket-dismiss any accusations of racism is probably a bit of an intolerant cunt.

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For anyone who hasn't been around a few years, I'd like to point out that PKC used to be a big fan of this guy. It seems like so far he's been a bit too embarssed to post however .

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Originally posted by de+ Ah yes. This is very common as well "OK, you aren’t a racist at all, but you are a bigot, giving needless hurt and offence"

That's all very nice and all but that's quite clearly not what the video said.

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Originally posted by de+ by the so-called liberals and "progressives",

In fact, this line here suggests that you have a quite different view of what at least one of those two terms means to pat in the video. Get a clue please.

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Last edited by Psyshell on Feb-10-2014 at 20:31

Look, all these bigots and racist white motherfukers only talk that shit in front of their friends or in a setting or facility where they feel safe. I used to hear that bullshit in my old job when I used to live in the Midwest in redneck Michigan. None of those pussies got balls to call a black man a ******, I've seen it said once in the Bronx, and seen this white boy get stomped the fuck out with a bunch of his teeth on the pavement.I know its different everywhere else but you talk that shit like in certain cities like NY, Chicago, Detroit, Philly and so on.. You can get killed and that's real talk.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J A lot of people who say "I'm not racist, I'm just telling the truth are actually being very racist"

The point is that the people who criticize Islam are generally not interested in skin colour. But the people who accuse them of racism often are. I don’t think skin colour has the slightest bearing on anything at all, whereas it is highly probable that childhood education in a particular religion does. Educational systems that teach boys only memorization of one particular book, and teach girls nothing at all, breed intolerance.

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Anyone who feels the need to blanket-dismiss any accusations of racism is probably a bit of an intolerant cunt.

That makes no sense. If i accuse you of being a racist and you dismiss it. Are you then an intolerant cunt.?

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Originally posted by de+ Ah yes. This is very common as well "OK, you aren’t a racist at all, but you are a bigot, giving needless hurt and offence"

Who was this responding to? You're not allowed to invoke Stephen Fry while vaguely cobbling together strawmen.

And if your complaint is genuinely that not all religions are effectively criticized equally (...ok?) then you're clearly ignoring the fact that not a single one of them exists in a vacuum. Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world, and its aggregation (sects notwithstanding) encompasses a wealth -for lack of a better word- of developing nations.

I like Pat Condell a lot, but neither he nor I shall ever truly know what it is to be an immigrant in race, culture, and nationality. 'Why don't Muslims react the same way to adversity as Christians do?' Well they're fucking different people from fucking discrete hegemonies, for starters. Most everything else has to do with burgeoning naturalization and subsequent economic inequality; add a little deity jizz to the mix and you're bound to make a stout cocktail for cray.

This is not at all to excuse Islam for its many trespasses. Any culture that interprets its sacred books as jurisprudence is going to have plenty to answer for from any adequately enlightened society. But the whole 'I could not possibly be a racist because what I am saying is apodictic!' is beyond dull.

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Originally posted by de+ The point is that the people who criticize Islam are generally not interested in skin colour. But the people who accuse them of racism often are.

Those are two very large and very inaccurate generalisations. There's a hell of a lot of people who are anti-Islamic, and empirically speaking a lot of those people are blatantly racist. And since we even have the buzzword "Islamophobia" now, a fair percentage of those arguing back aren't even using the term "racism". It's a broad canvass of opinion with many different variations on the theme. Your eagerness to play down the sins of one side and play up those of the other is disconcerting.

But really, it strikes me that your whole point boils down to a fairly pedantic definition of "racism" - that it must concern skin colour. The whole idea of a "race" is fairly arbitrary and constructed, and it could easily be argued that the cultural formulation of a given "race" revolves as much around culture and religion as it does physical appearance. Which is why a lot of people use "racist" quite loosely to describe many forms of bigotry and discrimination against those with differing cultural/ethnic backgrounds. So triumphantly bellowing "Ah, but Islam is a religion not a race, therefore you must be projecting and I win I win I win!" is a most flimsy and sophist rebuke.

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That makes no sense. If i accuse you of being a racist and you dismiss it. Are you then an intolerant cunt.?

No, because that isn't a blanket dismissal. If you make a specific objection of racism towards a particular opinion of mine I would address it point-by-point. I wouldn't sweep up you and everyone with a vaguely similar political ideology into some tortured category and come up with a shitty dollar-book Freud explanation for your objection based on a feeble piece of semantic hair-splitting.

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