there'z a massive sticky post in this room all about it.........look on their for info!!!!!!!!!!!

People really need to look at the big picture...you put foriegn chemicals in your body your meessing around with it. End of Story...where do you think all these cancers and alzhemeirs and all this horrible diseases come from. They were not around 50 - 60 years ago.

Think about taking tylenol even, its messes with your system. Evolutions is supposed to make you stronger, but we have fucked with that by trying to preserve life with chemicals, so taking a chemical that does nothing but mess around with your brain has to have effects I dont care what the studies show.

As for short term memory, 100% its messed up for me. I have not done X more that 25 times over 3 years and I can feel the effects and after 7 days in Ibiza this summer, my entire functionality was messed, body mind and spirit.

If there is anyone out there who thinks exstacy (even one pill) is not bad for you, then your looking for an asnwer in the wrong place.

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Originally posted by hansolo you put foriegn chemicals in your body your meessing around with it. End of Story...where do you think all these cancers and alzhemeirs and all this horrible diseases come from. They were not around 50 - 60 years ago.

Uh, do you really think that? Sorry, but cancer, alzhemeirs, polio, heart attacks, ms, muscular distrophy, ect... have all been around for a long long time (probably around the start of man), but only in the 1900's due to the industrial revolution were we able to actually study and name these natural human killers. Hansolo, learn some history, drugs did not cause these conditions since drugs came A LOT later then them.

Point is, even if MDMA causes harm people will _still_ continue to use it! So what's the best way to minimize the harm done and avoid un-neccesary deaths from it?
Harm reduction of course.
If MDMA is used with care, you know that the pill you're swallowing contains 100% MDMA, or atleast not anything harmful, and you're not doing it more, say 4-5 times a year you probably won't die from it or suffer any serious harm from it.

Sure, it may damage your brain, but what the scientists dont know is if the effects are permanent, not enough research on MDMA has been done to say that.

My thoughts on the matter is that no-one should be able to tell me what to do with my body, and that there are more dangerous things like sky-diving, and mountain-climbing and to endulge in than taking MDMA.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Uh, do you really think that? Sorry, but cancer, alzhemeirs, polio, heart attacks, ms, muscular distrophy, ect... have all been around for a long long time (probably around the start of man), but only in the 1900's due to the industrial revolution were we able to actually study and name these natural human killers. Hansolo, learn some history, drugs did not cause these conditions since drugs came A LOT later then them.

There is an increase in certain diseases that were not as prevelant earlier on.

I think that you should e-mail me in 40 years from now and we will sit down at have look at the trends...I think some nice correlations will be clear to see.

han solo: none of the increases in disease can be related to drugs at all... the reason why more people have been having heart atacks and what not is becasue more and more people are eating western diets more people are smoking and there were trends to go out and sunbake and get burnt initialising the cancer process!

and very few people actually die from xtc itself... less people are allergic to xtc then alcohol. Most xtc related deaths are because the person has drunk too much water or not enough overheated and so on not becasue of the actual xtc itself if these people respected their bodies and slowed down till they understood their limits even less people would die!

another problem is the fact that most times when we take the pills theres very little xtc in it and instead theres a mix of mda mdmx speed ghb and ketamin amongst other things.. these things when mixed togeather are alot more dangerous and the percentange of people allergic to the concoction increases above that of alchohol!

a society tollerent of xtc would effectivily knock out almost all of these dangers for people who were smart enough to use safety precautions.

One reason why i feel that xtc harms people alot less than what the government and son on say is because it is not xtc that affects our emotions or anything but a natural drug pruduces by the brain called seretonin.. the xtc merely relaxes the muscles that moderate teh release of this drug and cause more to be made at a faster rate.. yes over working your body so obviously its gonna be tired and worn out and not able to function 100% for several days...

anys you live in your world ill live in mine im just glad that mine allows me to take the stuff have fun as much or as little as i want and still come out of it the same fine and dandy!!! who could ask for anything more???

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Originally posted by hansolo People really need to look at the big picture...you put foriegn chemicals in your body your meessing around with it. End of Story...where do you think all these cancers and alzhemeirs and all this horrible diseases come from. They were not around 50 - 60 years ago.

Cancer has existed for thousands of years. There are confirmed cases of it as early as 200 AD, and since cancer exists in animals, it's very likely it existed far before the dawn of man. Alzheimer's, likewise, has existed far longer than you're suggesting. Our increased life spans, moreso than anything else, have contributed to the increasing prevalence of the condition.

We've wiped out a lot more serious conditions with 'chemicals' than have appeared in recent years, anyway.

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Think about taking tylenol even, its messes with your system. Evolutions is supposed to make you stronger, but we have fucked with that by trying to preserve life with chemicals, so taking a chemical that does nothing but mess around with your brain has to have effects I dont care what the studies show.

Don't underestimate the body's ability to maintain equilibrium, especially over long periods of time. If our species wasn't adaptable, we wouldn't have been nearly as successful as we were.

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As for short term memory, 100% its messed up for me. I have not done X more that 25 times over 3 years and I can feel the effects and after 7 days in Ibiza this summer, my entire functionality was messed, body mind and spirit.

This is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. You have failed to establish causality.

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If there is anyone out there who thinks exstacy (even one pill) is not bad for you, then your looking for an asnwer in the wrong place.

You've been brainwashed by a society trying to teach you that something is bad just because they don't understand it. It's not your fault, but I suggest you wake up.

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Im talking from the side of me that justifies not doing it. I have done it before, I know its hypocritcal of me but, as much as I do love doing it, the fact of the matter and mongone you said it yourself, is that xtc is not pure mdma its a whole bunch of crap, and that is what I am referring to, not a pure mdma pill cause I have yet to come across one of those.

And I am all for people doing there consequence free drugs, there is a lot more people out there that need to do drugs, especially X cause they can will see many things in a whole new light.

The fact of the matter is that the X revolution started heavy, and Im talking shit X, not Mdma sold at bars in New york in the 70's, began strong and hard in the 90's and 10 years of study is not enough for me with regard to long term effects. I just dont want to attirubte some problem I have 20 years down the road (g-d forbid) to the use of exstacy.

Bottom line, There is no way your convincing me and there is no way I am convincing you, especially on this board.

Just party and have fun and I got no problems with you.

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Originally posted by hansolo Bottom line, There is no way your convincing me and there is no way I am convincing you, especially on this board. Just party and have fun and I got no problems with you.

Fair enough. It's a good point you make about the impurities in most of the stuff you find out there. That's why I think they ought to legalize it, because by doing so they would empower themselves to regulate it.

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Originally posted by QRIUS1 yeah, i agree with you on dat one... I mean, I^m living proof that it does something to you. I was never popping it on a daily basis or even weekly (more like once every 3 months) and even today, after 1 year of avoiding it, i still feeel the loss of memory effects. Poor me, my memory will never be the same again.....

Do you drink, smoke weed, ever get less than 6 hours of sleep, use acrylics or come into contact with one of a thousand substances which can cause memory loss?

I am not arguing that it doesn't effect you, but take things in perspective. Memory loss if one of the most common problems people report to their doctors, besides physical pain... something to think about. And if you're worried, go to your doctor and ask for some tests.

Cheers,
Fats

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Originally posted by hansolo There is an increase in certain diseases that were not as prevelant earlier on. I think that you should e-mail me in 40 years from now and we will sit down at have look at the trends...I think some nice correlations will be clear to see.

Now yer pissing me off...

Cancer and all these diseases are on the 'rise' for two main reasons.

1) Improvements in medical science. We now are able to diagnose diseases earlier and more accurately than even 15 years ago. As well almost everyone goes to the doctor now, but 100 years ago the 'average' person could easily go through life and never, NEVER see a doctor. Why? Because they lived in areas without them. They had shamans, and local whack-jobs who claimed to be medical professionals, but they weren't. Also, today it is routine to meticulously diagnose cause of death. Not so back in the day.

2) Pollution. If I need to explaine this, then you need to back to school.

As for memory loss... like I said, everyone has memory loss. I had it bad before I dropped for the first time. Now, well clubbing has actually improved my memory in some respects. I used to be the worst for remembering peoples names - girlfriends included. But because at a club I tend to meet 30 or 40 people a night who all want to be my best friend, and I run into a lot of them again and again, I am now able to remember peoples names weeks later, after meeting someone only once... Granted this is anecdotal evidence, but it's first hand for me.

And on a final note, my drinking has gone way, way down. I used to get wasted 3, 4 times a week. Now, I go a week or two without getting faced. I'll take sketchyness over a sever hangover anyday.

Cheers,
Fats