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Thor
Joe Mushroom



Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Calgary or Iceland.....

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Originally posted by raver4life


Holllly mackeral!!!!! Finally somebody agrees with me. What the protesters are doing in Quebec is so unbelievably STUPID!!! I hateeeee it so bad, they look like a bunch of freaks. Ya know what? If they start whining about rights and all their little lies they tell each other about what's wrong with the world it makes me even more sick. They look unbelievably stupid making an ass out of themselves by getting their ass kicked by the police and if I was a policeman there, believe me I would be one that's working them over. Watching the news about it and what those retards are saying makes me laugh because what they say is happening "behind closed doors" is a bunch of brainwash they they're fed by radicals that think up these things while they're high on pot or whatever they might be smoking. Anyways, enough of a rant for now, that's just my opinion, I just think it's so unbelievably retarded and they should all ship back to their own walks of life and leave people alone to stop making themselves even stupider than they actually are.


You just don't get it do you... A quiet peacfull protest doesn't attract media attention, nobody would cover a bunch of people quietly singing songs of protest, passing a long a peace pipe... Not in this media based war, media goes where trouble and action is... Thus these protests, these people are furious, as should we all at this ridiculous agreement they are about to sign..

This is all about greed folks, read up on it, you'll see why these protesters are so pissed, I wish more people were down there.

I do not however agree with protesters trying to kill or hurt police officers, they are just doing their job. But the protesters are doing their job so to speak, so its nothing really personal against the police.

How many of you who insult these protesters really know whats going on? Do you just judge these passionate people because you watched TV last night? or do you actually try to learn why this is happening?

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Thor
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Exclamation Read up, decide for yourself.......

Heres some points from www.a20.org .. Check out the website for more info if you're interested.

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Top Ten Reasons to Oppose the Free Trade Area of the Americas

taken from Global Exchange
(Available as a pre-formatted flier

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During the last three years, representatives from 34 countries have been working in secret on plans to expand the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to Central America, South America and the Caribbean. The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) is another example of the free-market fundamentalism that has created a global race-to-the-bottom threatening the environment, families' livelihoods, human rights, and democracy. Once again, a sweeping "free trade" agreement is in the works that puts commerical interests above all other values.

1. The FTAA Expands a Proven Disaster

The FTAA is essentially an expansion of NAFTA. But NAFTA has proven a nightmare for working families and the environment. A look at NAFTA's legacy shows why these kinds of "free trade" agreements should be opposed. Working families suffer: In the US, almost 400,000 jobs have been lost since NAFTA, with workers' new jobs paying, on average, only 77% of the wages of their eariler employment; in Mexico since NAFTA, one million more Mexicans earn less than the minimum wage, and 8 million families have slipped from the middle class into poverty. The environment suffers: In the maquiladora zones along the US-Mexico border, the increased pollution and the improper disposal of chemical wastes has dramatically increased rates of hepatities and birth defects. NAFTA should be repealed, not expanded.

2. The Agreement is Being Written in Secret

Despite repeated calls for the open and democratic development of trade policy, the FTAA negotiations have been conducted in secret. Discussions around the FTAA began in 1994 when US Trade officials, emboldened by the passage of NAFTA, gathered trade ministers from across the hemisphere in Miami for a summit. Talks heated up in 1998, when trade ministers from the hemisphere met again in Santiago, Chile. Since then, negotiations have been taking place every few months, and the first working draft--with countries' positions already set--will be ready in April 2001 in Quebec City, Canada. Although Congress hasnt seen goals for US participation, hundreds of corporate representatives are involved in the process, advising the US negotiators and helping to write the rules. At the same time, however, citizen groups, and even the United Nations, have not been able to incorporate their concerns and suggestions into the talks.

3. The Agreement Will Undermine Labor Rights and Cause Further Job Loss

The NAFTA experience demonstrates how basic labor rights and the interests of working families are eroded by "free trade" agreements that lack enforceable labor protections. Corporations move high-paying jobs to countries with lower wages and bust unionization drives with threats to transfer production abroad. According to a study conducted under the auspices of NAFTA's labor side agreement, 90% of 400 plant closings or threatened plant closings in the US in a five-year period occurred illegally in the face of a union organizing drive. This "race-to-the-bottom" will accelerate under FTAA as corporations pit exploitedd workers in Mexico against even more desparate workers in countries such as Haiti and Guatemala.

4. The Agreement Will Exacerbate Environmental Destruction

The export-driven growth model promoted by "free trade" agreements and the policies of the World Bank and the IMF have destroyed ecosystems around the world. Under this unsustainable model, many countries in the Global South cut down their forests, overfish their waters and exploit other natural resources to earn hard currency. Since NAFTA, 15 US woood product companies have set up operations in Mexico, and logging there has increased dramatically. In the Mexican state of Guerrero, 40% of the forests have been lost in the last eight years, and massive clearcutting has led to soil erosion and habitat destruction.

5. The Agreement Will Put Lives at Risk

The FTAA would expand NAFTA's rules on monopoly patents to the whole hemisphere. This means that companies with a patent in one country will have the exclusive right to market their products throughout the hemisphere. Intellectual property rules are especially important for the pharmaceutical industry, which uses the regulations to stop countries from producing less expensive versions of name brand drugs. Currently Brazil is one of the top manufacturers of the types of generic drugs that are essential for the majority of the world's poor who cant afford drugs produced by US companies. If expanded intellectual property laws prevent the Brazilian government from making life-saving drugs, the AIDS crisis and tuberculosis epidemics will worsen, and people around the world will suffer.

6. The Agreement Will Lead to Privatization of Essential Services.

The FTAA is expected to contain commitments to privatize services such as education, health care, and energy and water utilities. Such deregulation would especially harm working class communities and communities of color. In some countries, these privatizations are already occurring, and those least able to pay for vital services are the ones that suffer the most. When Bolivia privatized its water utility, water rates increased 200%, leading to riots that resulted in six deaths.

7. The Agreement Will Provide a Backdoor for the MAI

The FTAA may provide a back door for establishing in the Western Hemisphere provisions of the Multilateral Agreement on Investments (MAI), a kind of "investors' rights" treaty defeated by citizens in 1998. Already, the US trade representative has said the FTAA will include provisions for "investors-to-state" lawsuits. These allow corporations to sue governments for compensation if they feel that any government action, including the enforcement of public health and safety laws, cuts into their profits. Such lawsuits could be used to dilute US laws that promote local businesses.

8. The Agreement Will Spread the Use of GMOs

US trade negotiators are trying to force other countries to accept genetically modified organisms (GMOs). But environmental groups warn that these technologies have not been adequately tested, and food security experts say GMOs could increase hunger in poor nations. Farmers have traditionally saved their seeds from year to year, but as multinational corporations patent GM seeds these farmers will be forced to pay for seeds, pushing them further into dependency.

9. The Agreement Will Increase Poverty and Inequality.

"Free Trade" is not working for the majority of the world. During the most recent period of rapid growth in global trade and investment--1960 to 1998--inequality worsened internationally and within countries. Without debt cancellation and rules to curtail rampant capital speculation, countries in the Global South will remain dependent on the Global North, inequality will increase, and the hope of achieving sustainable development will be further off.

10. There are Proven Alternatives.

Policy makers and pundits often try to convince us that corporate globalization is an inevitable phenomenon. In fact, the current economic processes known as "globalization" have been defined and driven by a very small number of corporations. Now people around the world are creating an alternative grassroots globalization. Citizens' groups from across the Western Hemisphere have written an "Alternative Agreement for the Americas" that offers a picture of what socially responsible and environmentally sustainable commerce would look like. You can find the document on the Global Exchange website.
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FuZioN
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto
Thumbs up Exactly!!!

Definitely wise words. The FTAA agreement in its current form can be considered the beginning of the end. Why must it be done in secret? Public officials debating public documents should be revealed to the public.
As quoted by a recent news release of the Canadian Labour Congress,

"The fact that the Summit of the Americas ended today with the working text of that trade deal still unknown to all but a few people - most of whom are unelected
and unaccountable - is downright offensive."

Well written, well spoken.

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I agree with the arguement that the FTAA is a bad thing but I don't believe that violence is the answer. Someone mentioned that a peaceful protest doesn't get a lot of media attention, this is somewhat true, but the press it does get is positive. The public will see a group of respectable protesters with something very important to say and they will listen. But if all the public sees is a group of violent bastards that bash everything in their sights do you think they are gonna listen to the message. They won't, they will all dismiss the protesters as a group of hooligans just out to cause shit and they won't listen to what they are saying. I've talked to a lot of people who have seen the violence thats going on in Quebec, both young and old, and all have the same feelings towards the protesters. They don't listen to what the they are saying and they all believe that the protesters should be locked up and beaten. The moral of the story is that the message that the protesters are trying to spread would be better accepted if they choose to be peacefull and not resort to violent tactics.

Thats what I think, many may disaggree which is acceptable, what do you think, and one more thing, the medium is the message


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Who cares!

As long as there is trance, who gives a shit!?!?

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Thor
Joe Mushroom



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Re: Who cares!

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Originally posted by mr_stamper
As long as there is trance, who gives a shit!?!?


I care that millions will fall into poverty, that lots of people will loose jobs, corporations will gain even more power than some governments in the americas... Sorry but I do care for my fellow man, trance is not going to make me feel good about myself as I watch countries suffer just so corportations can make even more money than they already do.

Ignoring the world around you is not the answer

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