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Originally posted by butterfly i think bush uses the word evil way too much. really makes me think less of his intelligence. i can't wait until we get him out of office.

AGREED!

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by biznology the problem is, that point of view seems like its dragging up another flame the US thread.

This is the last thing I want to happen, don't worry. And I mentioned the jews because of Iraq, it's got nothing to do with Pyongyang.

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Originally posted by biznology the problem is, that point of view seems like its dragging up another flame the US thread.

i think we should have a flame bush thread instead.

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Originally posted by torontotrance it's south korea that should be worried.....those two are always on the brink of war.....sad init that countries have to fight for no reason.

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i just know this. i remember reading some of the stupid things bush has said in his overly repetetive speeches.

"to NASA, space is still a priority..."

i almost died laughing..... lamer

Fun stuff. Doesn't really change anything, though.

i say N korea puts those nukes to use and drops them on the bush family...all of em....george bush george W> his slutty crackwhore daughters and especially ohhh ESPECIALLY BARBRA!!!!!

We spend billions of dollars of taxpayer money to fund the building of two light water nuclear reactors in N. Korea so that they don't develop nuclear weapons and we just take them for their word???? The diplomats who worked out this stupid treaty should be shot for incompetance. Screw it ... half the world should be shot for incompetance.

Sorry, just pissed that a $1000 a month goes into taxes when the government plays with it like it's monopoly money.

ok i'm not going to do another really long post b/c i'm too tired, but i'll sum up some answers to your questions :yawn:.... argh, i'm tired...

The reason we "trusted" North Korea to develop this technology is b/c after the conflict in the mid to late 50's, they have shown nothing but honest strides to attempt a peace/negotiate instead of war.... (you haven't seen a full-blown attack on south korea in the last 50 years have you?)

The problem is the previous people in power after the original conflict were willing to work with us and negotiate - unfortunately not too long ago newer people are really in power (despite the same figureheads), and the anti-US sentiments were still there from the original war....

We however did not know this, and we helped them out developing cleaner, more productive sources of energy with the nuclear plants... they also requested to do an atomic study program, for alternate power sources... Now the U.N. pretty much handled the negotiations, with the Atomic Nuclear Board and what have you... (i believe General Muhammed-something-or-other is in charge of this board...forgive me i can't remember his name)... They authorized the North Koreans to do studies, and unfortunately the N. Koreans were aiming their studies in a different direction...

Now here's the cut: they don't HAVE nuclear power yet, they are on their way to understanding how to use uranium and make it react to fuel the reactors and fuels to produce atomic energy... so in other words, on plain paper you STILL wouldn't know the difference between honest-to-goodness atomic power studies or nuke-making... - the fact we were tipped off is the only red flag here.... stupidly , they admitted to it (they could have gotten away with it had they denied the charges). Because of this, that is why 'only' talks are going on right now and investigations... no declaration of war, nothing special.

As of now its really nothing to be worried about... i figure by the end of investigations and "getting to the bottom of this", the whole project will have been terminated. The best part, is this is 100% up to the U.N. and the US may play a role simply b/c they are a large part of the U.N., but it won't be a US-only war... if there even is a war.

The reason you hear about this all over the news is not because they HAVE a nuke, its not critical - just such a surprise and everyone thinks we were played the fool. But can you blame us? Take an ex-con out of jail who makes an honest living for almost 50 years - would you really expect him to turn to crime once again randomly .... after 50 years!??

argh, time to sleep.... so much for 'not doing a long post'...
-ABT-

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As a result of ABT's post ... I stand corrected. I really can't argue since I don't know all that much about Korean history/policy. Haha give me 20th century europe or the middle east any day.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline ok i'm not going to do another really long post b/c i'm too tired, but i'll sum up some answers to your questions :yawn:.... argh, i'm tired... The reason we "trusted" North Korea to develop this technology is b/c after the conflict in the mid to late 50's, they have shown nothing but honest strides to attempt a peace/negotiate instead of war.... (you haven't seen a full-blown attack on south korea in the last 50 years have you?) But can you blame us? Take an ex-con out of jail who makes an honest living for almost 50 years - would you really expect him to turn to crime once again randomly .... after 50 years!?? argh, time to sleep.... so much for 'not doing a long post'... -ABT-

But I will say this ... we've never had the attitude of completely trusting the N. Koreans. There's a reason why the US has never adopted a worldwide ban on land mines despite the worldwide push for such a treaty over the past 20 years. That's because we have millions between a mere 40,000 or so US troops and the entire N. Korean army. These minefields are one of the main deterrants of a N. Korean attack. I don't know how we can diplomatically trust them yet militarily adopt a different perspective.

Also I should say that I can remember quite clearly to 1994 and at that time there was never such an atmosphere that we "trusted" the N. Koreans. I remember that treaty as being a landmark event in progress with former enemies. If things were so buddy buddy with them then why has N. Korea been such a taboo country according to US standards and therefore why were we so lax in reinforcing treaty obligations?

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Originally posted by occrider But I will say this ... we've never had the attitude of completely trusting the N. Koreans. There's a reason why the US has never adopted a worldwide ban on land mines despite the worldwide push for such a treaty over the past 20 years. That's because we have millions between a mere 40,000 or so US troops and the entire N. Korean army. These minefields are one of the main deterrants of a N. Korean attack. I don't know how we can diplomatically trust them yet militarily adopt a different perspective.

true. but you can't just "get rid" of thousands of land mines... it isn't economically feasible to get rid of them...

There's a job in the military called "EOD" - explosive ordinance disposal, and its their job to locate and defuse these objects... a VERY tough job and the military has a dire need for these specialists - but it costs a LOT of money to train (and retain) them...

Now you send a unit of EOD over to Korea, it would take over 20 years to locate and defuse these mines that we didnt even put down there - a TRUE waste of taxpayers money... you do the math

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