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Originally posted by Robotrance attention whores. so called extroverted sensitive, they feed on attention and only way to get it is to whine over their sensitivity and this is probably due to understimulation or misunderstanding early in life. deal with it. being sensitive is a gift if handled correctly, so handle it and shut up. use your gift for the great of the world instead, most people are unable to due to lack of perception of details while sensitive people are usually those who comes up with fantastic stuff, or theyll go under in dispear.

Wow, that is an incredibly insensitive thing to say. Actually, it's a total jerkwad thing to say.

Mental illness is a real thing, and we are not helped at all by jerks like you who just tell us to suck it up. Do you tell people to just 'deal with it' when they have cancer? Because trust me, there is no difference between mental and physical illness in that regard.

Grow the hell up.

ADHD is a real thing and difficult to deal with so I'm sorry it took so long to make progress Beatflux. I don't know if it make a adiffernce to you but I never thought you ever came off as a dick or being mean to people.

I don't think his comments fit this particular case, but Palm (robotrance) does actually tap in to something. Living in LA, I know a lot of wannabe "artists" and "actors" etc, who do little fucking more than obsess about how fucking sensitive and deep they are - some of it really is what he's getting at in terms of extroverted sensitive; apparently uber sensitive but has to make sure everyone knows about it.

Again not the case here but I know what Palm is getting at.

Also, there is a little bit of a strain of people spending waaaaaaay too much of their lives thinking about what is wrong with them, or what could be their problem.

Go visit some really poor countries or better still, ask your grandparents generation about mental illness. They just don't have time for it, and never did.

Even look at the PTSD rates among soldiers now and compare it to 80 years ago. Both my grandfathers fought in WW2, saw truly horrific things, most their friends died (often in front of them) yet it somehow didn't fuck them up for the rest of their lives or even define them.

Now you have soldiers who do one tour and come back and after a couple of years are non-functioning human vegetables. Sure there's other factors like the drugs they made them take etc but without sounding callous, some if it comes down to giving these disorders room and oxygen to thrive.

Same can be said for some people in society, and often they are white people problems if you know what I mean.

Again, none of this detracts from depression and true mental illness, but not everyone who struggles in life is mentally ill or has a disorder.

That's where the shit the fuck up, buck up and deal with it comes from, and in certain scenarios, I get it.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Also, there is a little bit of a strain of people spending waaaaaaay too much of their lives thinking about what is wrong with them, or what could be their problem. Go visit some really poor countries or better still, ask your grandparents generation about mental illness. They just don't have time for it, and never did.

What exactly is the point you are making here? That those of us suffering from severe mental illnesses (want to see my hospital charts? Want to know what it's like to have your stomach pumped? Want to see my scars? Will that make it real for you?) should just ignore it? Doesn't work that way.

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Again, none of this detracts from depression and true mental illness, but not everyone who struggles in life is mentally ill or has a disorder. That's where the shit the fuck up, buck up and deal with it comes from, and in certain scenarios, I get it.

Unless you are someone's doctor, and are aware of and treating them for their mental illness, you have exactly no idea what you are talking about. You do not know that the person who you think is 'just struggling' is in fact suffering from a disorder.

Someone else I know said it better:

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Unless you serve this population by being their doctor, your knowledge of their conditions is limited and describing their mental conditions in terms like that is a shitty shitty thing to do

I'll say it again, those who never experienced a real mental illness can never put themselves in the shoes of those who have.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Go visit some really poor countries or better still, ask your grandparents generation about mental illness. They just don't have time for it, and never did.

You do have somewhat of a point, but it's still likely coming from someone who doesn't know what serious mental illness really is.
My grandmother's sister had classic Bipolar, and her brother had classic Schizophrenia. Try telling them they "didn't have the time for it." Unfortunately serious mental illness severely hampers your ability to function in society and around people - certainly when you're in an "episode." Luckily remission is possible with the right medications and sometimes the "right lifestyle."

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Again, none of this detracts from depression and true mental illness, but not everyone who struggles in life is mentally ill or has a disorder.

Absolutely, life itself is a struggle, but unfortunately mental illness only adds to the struggle, often to a very large, if immeasurable, degree.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I'll say it again, those who never experienced a real mental illness can never put themselves in the shoes of those who have. You do have somewhat of a point, but it's still likely coming from someone who doesn't know what serious mental illness really is.

Thank you. Very much.

Some unbelieveably ignorant and idiotic things being said in this thread. Fucking hell.

Wow.

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Looks like the idiocy was removed.

You are right, but so is RANN, but there is a distinction between the 2.
To RANN's point, A LOT of people get diagnosed (or label themselves) as having some form of ADHD. For About 99% of them having these tendencies should not get in the way of life, or being abused as an excuse for their struggle in life.
Everyone is different right? His point is more to the attention whores who feel sorry for themselves and blame ADHD as their rootcause failing life. Everybody struggles in life. Thinking life is unfair because of your tween struggles, doesn't make you an ADHD patient. Talking about mental "scars" and comparing them with cancer doesn't resonate very well it's very selfimposed and egocentric. just not sure if taking meds is the best way to go to balance those emotions out.
I do know things in this category (tweeny ADHD) often get worse once labelled.
Get a mental coach and learn some NLP/Mindfullness techniques, these will help keep perspective.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I'll say it again, those who never experienced a real mental illness can never put themselves in the shoes of those who have. You do have somewhat of a point, but it's still likely coming from someone who doesn't know what serious mental illness really is. My grandmother's sister had classic Bipolar, and her brother had classic Schizophrenia. Try telling them they "didn't have the time for it." Unfortunately serious mental illness severely hampers your ability to function in society and around people - certainly when you're in an "episode." Luckily remission is possible with the right medications and sometimes the "right lifestyle." Absolutely, life itself is a struggle, but unfortunately mental illness only adds to the struggle, often to a very large, if immeasurable, degree.

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From my experience a lot of people get stamped ADHD way to quickly and easily. Especially food can influence behaviour a lot (also when you do have ADHD). I see a lot of kids (less than 12 years old) drinking cheap red bull replacements or eating loads of sugar before 13:00. Especially when their parents have little education. No wonder they're all over the place, but far from all of them have ADHD. Doctors just say: pump them full of Ritalin and they'll tone down. My gut says this goes for the majority of 'ADHD'-diagnosed people.

A few things that have helped for me is actually doing (very little) reading on practical problems one might have. In my case I get distracted by either something around me or by my mind within seconds.

- I write down things I need to remember. When I'm on a phone call for work or business I would otherwise have forgotten what is said 10-15 seconds after it was mentioned.
- I cut down on sugar/carbs (little to no bread for instance). It makes me a lot more relaxed. It also reduces certain tics (for lack of a better word) I have. They're not really apparent to anyone who isn't aware but it reduces a lot of distraction.
- Only drink coffee/caffeine when I really need to perform hard. Hardly ever happens, and otherwise a bit of stress is usually already sufficient.
- Sport regularly. Release some of your energy. I can't due to a foot injury for well over 6 months now and its frustrating as hell.

It does come with its advantages too. ADHD people are usually more creative for instance .

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