I'm gonna hop in the middle here. Camp was canceled for a little more than "kids ODing." Meatspin or whatever the hell the promotion group was called couldn't get their act together at all. BPM_PHIL that link you posted for the cart certainly makes lugging your stuff easier, but at the end of the day you simply are not posted up next to your car. I find that wildly inconvenient. To this point what most forget is summer festival season goes hand in hand with rain, and I'll be the first to tell you attempting to sleep in a tent as buckets fall from the sky sucks. ML got lucky last year and avoided this all together for the most part.

With all that said, this seems to be a very busy weekend & as mentioned its really just a matter of how you prefer to enjoy your music. Although EDCNYC may have a better line up in some minds, you are still listening to music in a parking lot AND you have to go home when its over, whether thats by train or car. Much different than being on a beautiful campgrounds and VERY VERY different than the wild wild west of Detroit. Waking up on a campgrounds and being a part of the whole festival experience is much more freeing than thinking about how you are getting to or from an event such as EDCNYC or the clubs/DEMF in Detroit.

Lastly, though ML certainly could have upped their jamtronica game up a bit, I do not think that's what they were going for. If there is an overall lack of the womp & jam one would think they simply just didn't want it

All in all I personally think that line up has its fair share of a good time from the drumcode crew to the French Express disco. Plus if you really want to get weird with some jamtronica Beats Antique is there.. so theres that too

Agree with you on everything^


It seems like Bisco devolved into a very druggie/yolo crowd towards the end of its run and I didn't get that feeling from MLand at least last year.

^^^
lots of good coments from both of you no doubt.


Yolo degeneration comment first:
uhu, but even with the 21+, I'd expect that from ML, if less so than EDC.

Actually, that was the Skrillex component, though the antics never seemed to affect the festival as far as I was concerned, space was big enough most of the time, not all of it of course.
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Your list of the good names at ML gets my nood to.
I didn't mean that listing, my orig. wasn't worded well.
Of course much of those names would fit in at Movement to one degree or another, and I'd be glad to see them.
Was actually thing about that DL set at Verboten tonight....

Should have said something like:

Most of the stuff that is at ML and wouldn't be in Detroit is pretty forgettable stuff.

And yes, saw Beats Antique!
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Camp:

if druggies and pharmacy galore is necessarily a bad thing, is really in the eye of the beholder


I don't even blame that for killing anything. They only do that indirectly, from an intolerant society that prohibits, and that feels the need to protect adults from their own bad decisions.
It's not the drugs or their stupid misuse that ruin festis, clubs, etc, but the guv'mt and the general "oh my gosh" attitude.

never ceases to amaze me that we're still there in 2015. wjem the people now making the rules (they've been doing that for about 20 years now) should know better. Back in the day, the people in charge came from a different era,ie pre-60s, but today?
Just a bunch of hypocrites, doing all the 60s / 70s / 80s drugs then, but now acting like their parents.

Camp didn't get cancelled for drugs directly at all.
It was only because Meatcamp didn't do the permit obligations from 2013. I don't thing they fucked that up by accident at all, I think they did it on purpose. They knew what it would take to get the 2014 permit all the way before the 2013 festi even took place, simply didn't follow-through on the 2013 permit obligations. That gave the authorities an easy: good-by, and they' had stated it during the 2013 permit process...

then MCP goes and schedule "Camp Bisco without the Biscuits" the exact same weekend as always for Camp, in a different location.
They were trying to cut the Biscuits out.
That they fucked up good last year, and glad they got theirs, no HP v.2.

just my conspiracy perhaps...

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Originally posted by CarS ^^^ lots of good coments from both of you no doubt. Yolo degeneration comment first: uhu, but even with the 21+, I'd expect that from ML, if less so than EDC. Actually, that was the Skrillex component, though the antics never seemed to affect the festival as far as I was concerned, space was big enough most of the time, not all of it of course. ---------------------- Your list of the good names at ML gets my nood to. I didn't mean that listing, my orig. wasn't worded well. Of course much of those names would fit in at Movement to one degree or another, and I'd be glad to see them. Was actually thing about that DL set at Verboten tonight.... Should have said something like: Most of the stuff that is at ML and wouldn't be in Detroit is pretty forgettable stuff. And yes, saw Beats Antique! ----------------- Camp: if druggies and pharmacy galore is necessarily a bad thing, is really in the eye of the beholder I don't even blame that for killing anything. They only do that indirectly, from an intolerant society that prohibits, and that feels the need to protect adults from their own bad decisions. It's not the drugs or their stupid misuse that ruin festis, clubs, etc, but the guv'mt and the general "oh my gosh" attitude. never ceases to amaze me that we're still there in 2015. wjem the people now making the rules (they've been doing that for about 20 years now) should know better. Back in the day, the people in charge came from a different era,ie pre-60s, but today? Just a bunch of hypocrites, doing all the 60s / 70s / 80s drugs then, but now acting like their parents. Camp didn't get cancelled for drugs directly at all. It was only because Meatcamp didn't do the permit obligations from 2013. I don't thing they fucked that up by accident at all, I think they did it on purpose. They knew what it would take to get the 2014 permit all the way before the 2013 festi even took place, simply didn't follow-through on the 2013 permit obligations. That gave the authorities an easy: good-by, and they' had stated it during the 2013 permit process... then MCP goes and schedule "Camp Bisco without the Biscuits" the exact same weekend as always for Camp, in a different location. They were trying to cut the Biscuits out. That they fucked up good last year, and glad they got theirs, no HP v.2. just my conspiracy perhaps...

Thanks for that long response, I don't disagree with anything. I am not at all against drug use just stupidity and recklessness.

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Originally posted by Pantone199c What's Mysteryland like? I'm thinking about going as my little mini vacation before I get really busy during the summer. I'm looking to do the camping as well. I love to camp and this plus the festival atmosphere has my interests piqued.

ML was incredible last year. the best camping rave ive ever done personally and it was my 4th or 5th one. i will agree, no car camping is a BIT of a pain but not the end of the world. the haul of your gear wasnt as far and as bad as i was expecting. it had by far the best vibe of any camping rave ive done. 4 days and didnt see one single issue of an OD or problematic behavior with this festival being 21+. i dont know what youre into music wise but there is something for everyone (techno and house stages again with some big time heavy hitters). the sound and production quality was also top notch and as stated prior, camping at bethel woods is absolutely gorgeous and only having to walk back to your tent at the end of it all is heaven rather than driving or hailing a cab! im very excited again for round 2 this year.

and yes, for hauling gear the link someone posted of the collapsible wagon is a godsend. didnt think of that last year and will be purchasing 2 this year.

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