We're not talking about musical skill. We're talking about learning 12 notes - that's basic comprehension, not skill. That doesn't require much more than staring at your keyboard for a few minutes. But, look, if my comments really hurt your feelings that badly, then I apologize to you and the OP. Maybe one of you could start a thread on how to figure out where the octaves are on a keyboard. Maybe even ask how to plug in the USB cable, too. I mean, that's about the level of skill we're talking here. To advise someone to limit themselves to 25 keys because they're too fucking stupid or lazy to figure out what everybody figures out in a matter of minutes is irresponsible. Would you really recommend that somebody learn guitar by removing 5 of the strings?
As I said, buying a small keyboard is fine for portability, size, cost, etc., but to buy it because you and OP refuse to put forth a few minutes of effort is just idiotic. Besides, the OP is probably just trolling (psst...so was I, but I'm glad you came to his rescue).
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May-23-2015 14:28
cryophonik
Boom shanka
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA
quote:
Originally posted by Zak McKracken
its like telling a guy without legs that its easy to run, just lift your legs and run. well i dont have legs. to bad for you, even my kid has legs and can run at the age of 6 - you are 20 and still cant run? god speed.
Really? You're comparing a physical handicap to someone's stubborn refusal to put forth a little effort?
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May-23-2015 14:41
djshire
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Registered: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI, USA
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Originally posted by Andy28
I done exactly that for the same reason and got a korg micro 25 key. An extra octave would be handy at times but it does what I need it to do. I never used the pots or pads on my other keyboard so I found this 1 ideal and cheap
Yea, I never really used the other controls on the Pro 49, even though I tried to remember to use them. I was thinking of getting the Nektar Impact 25 to have full-sized piano-style keys.
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May-23-2015 14:41
Andy28
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It's all about work flow... If u can play then great, it's easy for you to jam and quickly create and get things down.. If like me however you're useless then chances are a mouse and piano roll are your best friends.. Takes a bit longer but does the job..
I must admit if I had space I would go bigger, but for the time being am reasonably happy with the korg.. My only issue is that when I do try and play, my sausage fingers hit two notes together sometimes
May-23-2015 14:42
cryophonik
Boom shanka
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA
quote:
Originally posted by Andy28
...a mouse and piano roll are your best friends.. Takes a bit longer but does the job..
Yup, and when's the last time you saw a beginner's DAW that only has 2 octaves in the piano roll? I mean, if the OP can't figure out more than 25 keys on the physical keyboard sitting right in front of him, how can figure out a piano roll?
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May-23-2015 14:46
cryophonik
Boom shanka
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA
quote:
Originally posted by Zak McKracken
bro i played the piano since age of 5. i know all that shit. i just understand that not everybody takes it as easy as others. I have friends who cant udnerstand that C2 and C3 is the same only one octave. they cant hear it. they hear two different sounds completely unrelated. if you dont have the ear for it the theory behind is 100 times more complex. dividing a octave in 12 doesnt make sence logically. C G sounds good together? why? you have to go into logarhitmic math to understand why. either you have it or you dont. its not something you learn. for a lot of people if just noise. I have friends who rather have sports news in the background during drinking than music.
All of which is irrelevant. This isn't music theory. If you've ever looked at a piano, you would see that there is a recurring 12-note pattern of octaves. You don't need to know any theory, or math (beyond counting to 12) or be able to hear or sing an octave to be able to comprehend it or even play it. All you need to do is press the keys and let the keyboard do the rest. Conceptually, that's no different than clicking the notes into a piano roll, except for the fact that the piano roll will have many more keys than most controllers offer. If that's too much effort for you, then you're spending your money on the wrong pastime. Navigating a DAW or making anything resembling music isn't going to happen.
But, go ahead and keep making excuses for people. If the OP wants excuses to not learn the most fundamental things, like notes on a piano, then that's one less crappy artist on Beatport.
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May-23-2015 15:19
cryophonik
Boom shanka
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA
You don't need to hear octaves to be able to see them on a keyboard. That's the OP's whole issue - he can't even comprehend looking at more than two octaves and that's his excuse for wanting a 25-key controller. Forget hearing octaves, or melodies, or chords, or any music theory, he's never even going to get there if he can't even put in enough effort to figure out where the notes are. But, again, keep making excuses for him. Some people make music, other people make excuses.
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May-23-2015 15:33
cryophonik
Boom shanka
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA
quote:
Originally posted by Zak McKracken
im just saying you come off as rather ignorant expecting everyone to have the same musical understanding as you. you pull up you kid as a child prodigy but it is actually very common that kids of musical parents are musical themselfs at early age,
Where did I make him out to be prodigy? I said that it took him one lesson to learn where the octaves are. That's not being a prodigy. That's going to a lesson and letting the instructor teach him the most fundamental thing about playing an instrument. If that makes him a prodigy, then there are a shit-ton of prodigies on this planet. How many years did it take you to figure out the notes on a piano?
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May-23-2015 15:52
Andy28
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Well wake them up and then you can show your child prodigy how not to make music
May-23-2015 15:56
cryophonik
Boom shanka
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA
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Originally posted by Zak McKracken
musical talent cant be tought,
I was a bass instructor and piano tutor for many years and, yes, it can definitely be taught. Not everybody picks it up at the same rate, and that has to do with many factors, but most often it comes down to the time and effort that a person is willing to put into it. I've never been one to be satisfied with people (including myself) who don't put forth enough effort, and my students both loved me and hated me for it. But, you'll never hear me making excuses for people or coddling them because they think it's just impossible for them to learn music. Every student I've ever had who thought that they were not musically inclined proved themselves wrong.
