Big crowds are just fucking stupid. Man is inherently intelligent and has common sense, but that all gets lost in big crowds. The individual's mind is grater than the collective mind, the collective mind is dangerous.

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that's some deep shit right there woty

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I'm deep yo

edit: I'm horrified at this thing, i wish i was there with a katana and i would have cut all those men down or died trying.

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Last edited by wotyzoid on Jan-30-2016 at 00:00

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Originally posted by wotyzoid all kinds of fucked up. still, this is not these men's religion, it is these men themselves. i blame lack of education and ignorance. total confusion, religion is just a scapegoat for the hatred these "extremists" carry with them.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Here's the problem. It is the individual that becomes fanatic, you can't blame ideas and faith. What happens in this video is mass hysteria and panic veiled as an islam lynching. These dudes just wanted to kill someone.

Man, have you ever been to Afghanistan? Or an Islamic country?

Christ. I swear people will say the most retarded shit just to give Islam a free pass.

Wtf is your point?

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might be wrong but I assume it's if you haven't experienced their culture / society / way of living you don't know what you're talking about

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Wtf is your point?

I've been thinking about it, and I suspect there's a cultural difference here.

Unless a third Brazilian chimes in and joins the "Death to Islam!" brigade, it's not uncommon that we from the South America see Northerners as unreasonably intolerant, whereas they from North America see us Southerners as wide-eyed naive idealists.

If you follow Brazilian history from the outset, you can see something of a pattern: We are quick to assimilate and slow to negotiate. The Portuguese came and shagged the natives (quick assimilation) and then long after wars of independence rocked the Americas the royal family decided to declare Brazil an independent country - with little to no bloodshed, the Portuguese just made sure the change was as gradual and painless as possible. This is true to this day: We're not fond of conflicts (something you get accustomed to when revolutions are part of your history) and our Arabs just mingled with the rest of the population and gave us... Sabrina Sato!



If you study American history, you can see something of an opposite pattern: They are slow to assimilate, but quick to defend what they believe in. Americans themselves declared their own independence (nearly half a century before the Portuguese granted our independence), and immigrants arrived with their families so there were fewer Pocahontas getting all chummy with the newcomers. Then there was the Civil War and the One-Drop Rule, which repeated the pattern. On the upside, this means they had an amazing civil rights movement that would be unthinkable here, because we're still making up our minds over who is(n't) black and what to do with inequalities, but this makes "us versus them" mentality much easier, methinks. There's a reason 36% more people described themselves as mixed race here.

COR version: I believe it's a shaggy thing - Bang Arabs and you'll see they're the bomb. Don't bang Arabs and you'll be afraid of their bombs.

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Originally posted by Lira Nail. Head. Afghanistan is a mess after the Cold War: It made perfect sense during the Russian invasion for the Americans to tip Afghans towards extremism - until the extremists bit the hand that fed them. Not to mention Pakistan benefits from Afghanistan being a failed state, so there's that. By the way, let's not flatter ourselves here. Some 300 years ago, Thomas Aikenhead was executed for blasphemy in Scotland. A 300 year interval is nothing but a lull in the history of a religion that spawns millennia, we need be careful not to flatter ourselves here.

This is what I've been banging on about in this thread and others; Islam (en masse, not including some of the moderate and incredibly forward thinking muslims that I regard as close friends) is just a few hundred years behind the other religions.

They need to educate and grow up. The good thing is, as much press as the evils of islam gets, as a religion as a whole, it's becoming less and less devout, and just like Christianity and Judaism, is becoming more and more wateredf down.

Sure, now we have camera phones and instant news it may seem like it's more than ever, but it's not - go back 100, even 50 years, lynchings and public stoning were common place, every day occurrences, but they did not even make the news in their own local paper, let alone a international new network.

Over time, and as everyone (muslim nations included) become more furious with the extremists, the result will be the dilution of islam. It will take a few hundred years sure, but what we're seeing in the grand scheme of things is the crumbling latter stages of Islam being a devout and literal religion. In 500 years time it will be about as relevant as Christianity in the developed countries.

Think about it - several rubicons have been crossed in the last few years.

For instance, all religions had a rule that forbade the mocking (in in islam, one step further, just innocent depiction) of god or his prophet, and it was done because when you draw or worse mock something it loses it's power and gravity.

We had the cartoonish depiction of mohammed in a global publication. That can't be taken back and we've seen more since and we'll continue to. That taboo is now broken and the response will be less and less.

To Kenny's point, crowds do change people in to much more primal and dangerous mindsets, but that's an incredibly basic generalization.

I've been to muslim countries and met amazing people. Most just want to get out of poverty and have safety for the family. Some can get power about their lot and escape their inevitable stricken path by aligning with extreme elements, but if you give people mobility outside of religion, education, means, opportunity etc, then you see a direct correlation of for reliance on religion.

It's quite like hardcore nationalism - when you aint got nothing, you grip on that flag as hard as you can.

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Originally posted by Redd the heart of the problem is living strictly by rules of a religion that was made forever ago.

ok

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Originally posted by Redd might be wrong but I assume it's if you haven't experienced their culture / society / way of living you don't know what you're talking about

fuck him

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Originally posted by Lira I've been thinking about it, and I suspect there's a cultural difference here.

Com certeza, but only to an extent as I see it. Although the us is more segregated and less of a melting pot of love and muqueca it is still an immigrant country just like brasil. i might be having a debate with the c0r righties right now and I wouldn't even know I was slamming my head against the wall.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN This is what I've been banging on about in this thread and others; Islam (en masse, not including some of the moderate and incredibly forward thinking muslims that I regard as close friends) is just a few hundred years behind the other religions.

it's not a religious issue to me at all, it's cultural.

why am i quoting you?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Com certeza, but only to an extent as I see it.

Yeah, I don't believe what I said explains everything, it's just one of several related factors, probably.

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These Trump supporters, though, dude...

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