good point...lol

ok, so can you guys please advise how I'd get started on multitracking into a DAW? i'm thinking it may indeed be the best way to go. I'm using a relatively cheap laptop, so if it's not convenient, I'd rather just maybe buy the Korg D888 and have my mixer outs going into it.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Yeah, that's what I've always been doing, but why should I use a DAW if I can just record into, say, an 8 or 16-track recorder? Unless you're suggesting I start writing in stems? I'd really rather do everything live, honestly. Thanks for the tip, but how would I be holding myself back, exactly?

Ok..this is totally my opinion.

"8 or 16-track recorder" ...Tape?
1: Wear and tear
2: Availability to purchase more...tape
3: Quality is warmer (imo) +1 but still see #1 & #2
4: Quality turns into shit unless you are talking DAT (still see #1)

"but why should I use a DAW" "I'd really rather do everything live"
Everything you want to do, you can do better,faster,more accurate and is more forgiving in a live setting with a DAW.
You are able to physically see the wav form in a 2 dimensional setting that allows you to get pin point accuracy.


"how would I be holding myself back, exactly"
How you work on a track. When I was working on analog I liked to just screw around and go with a flow with whatever I was sequencing. I found myself not being able to get a solid composition down because of the limitations to my hardware although the repetition was spot on for trance (at the time) /grins. Needless to say, those tracks took forever to finish.
Effects were limited to what onboard gear I had,which wasn't much.
Unless you had the bucks to shell out for another piece of hardware
Needless to say (Im speaking solely for) Ableton. The native effects rack has over 200 effects at your disposal. Not all are great but probably alot better than the standard.

I also found alot of times due to the weak polyphony(32)my song would cut out or act weird If my sequences started stacking to much. With a good computer, this will never happen again. So, you mentioned you were on a laptop...hmm, you will need some decent specs

In a nutshell, you can do all this still,live with a DAW. Your tracks will be better, the pace at which you create your tracks will be faster and your ability to manage your music will be better.
But still your laptop.....hmm

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Robert Hood still uses a digital Tascam recorder - it's obviously not as flexible/powerful as a DAW but you get hardware and simplicity and none of the issues with DATs/old hardware.

http://tascam.com/products/mtr_digital_portastudio/

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Originally posted by Woony Robert Hood still uses a digital Tascam recorder - it's obviously not as flexible/powerful as a DAW but you get hardware and simplicity and none of the issues with DATs/old hardware. http://tascam.com/products/mtr_digital_portastudio/

Hah! And people here were making fun of me for using a Tascam. I've always been using a DP-004, and was actually thinking last night of saving for one of the higher end ones (e.g. DP-24SD, so I can actually multitrack live).

If I'm actually able to buy something like the DP-24SD, I really don't see the purpose of using a DAW. Unless you guys can convince me otherwise.

I mean, it's hard to argue that DAW is better objectively but in the end making music comes down to what you're feeling the most.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Hah! And people here were making fun of me for using a Tascam. I've always been using a DP-004, and was actually thinking last night of saving for one of the higher end ones (e.g. DP-24SD, so I can actually multitrack live). If I'm actually able to buy something like the DP-24SD, I really don't see the purpose of using a DAW. Unless you guys can convince me otherwise.

Naw man, no one is making fun because alot of people do still use old hardware for vintage sake or novelty of sound. Nothing wrong at all with that.
As Woony did state however, flexible/powerful vs "the issues" you are coming here with. Essentially it is your choice

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Naw man, no one is making fun because alot of people do still use old hardware for vintage sake or novelty of sound. Nothing wrong at all with that.

I agree, I meant RANN was deriding me for it in a previous thread.

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As Woony did state however, flexible/powerful vs "the issues" you are coming here with. Essentially it is your choice

Yeah, I mean honestly, if it's more cost-effective and better overall for me to start using a DAW, I'm definitely going to consider it - I just want some advice given my workstation, modus operandi, etc. If I can get the direct outs of my mixer into a hardware (digital) multitrack recorder, then it might be better and easier, ultimately. Unless I'm still missing something here...

Ok, so this is pretty interesting.

Technically, if I want to use the direct outs of my mixer (I have a Micro Series 1202 VLZ Mackie now, so only 4 direct outs) and go into the 8-track inputs of the Korg D888, then technically my external FX unit going through my Mackie AUX would be routed through, as well, right? And I'm guessing I can apparently do extra EQ-ing on the Korg, as well, and even apply the built-in FX over the FX I already have going through the AUX on my Mackie?



Might try and save for the Tascam DP-24SD instead, as it has more tracks, but it doesn't seem to include EQ and a built-in FX unit, like the Korg. Although maybe I don't need all this...but then again, maybe the Korg would allow for more experimentation, given those additional features.

Meanwhile, I'll also want to save up for a 16-channel mixer.

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Maybe you could find a couple old Tascam DA-88 multitrack recorders?

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Originally posted by aquila Maybe you could find a couple old Tascam DA-88 multitrack recorders?

I really would prefer not to record on cassette lol. Using a DAT and having it break on me in the past was a pain in the backside.

Damn...I've just realized that with a DAW, I can record sampled stems, and use them throughout a track. Without a DAW, I don't see myself really pulling that off.

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lol you will be amazed at what you can do

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