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Originally posted by TranceGiant The hipocrisy of the Nobel Prize comitee became most apparent when it "officially regretted" its decision to award Shimon Peres(!) as he was accused of "supporting aggressive Israeli in his role as foreign minister". Again no single thing about Arafat's role as a haead of a terror organization and some1 who praises the killings of civilians was mentioned. BUT this thread will NOT turn into another Israel-thread We've got enuff of them already here.

thank you for saying it for me.

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define evil. everyone has motives/psychological states that are diff|

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Bush should also be there, SR. and JR.


Motto of the fam. Bush:
Make War, Not Love

for the rest:

Hitler
Stalin

these 2 where so much worse then Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar, Stalin killed more then 30 million people!!!

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its all relative, and my question for a definition of evil was me playing devils advocate.

make a list, and dont question everyone elses motives, cause everyone wont agree on the same people|

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Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Genghis Khan
Osama Bin Laden

and...

Thomas Jefferson (along with Alexander Hamilton, the founder of American extremism)


Cheers,

Arbiter

Don't flame me, but my faith in go d has always been little, it is smaller, if possible, now...

So not necesarilly got the entitity, but the concept, that divided humanity and brought so many wars upon us, is my no. 1 ....

After that I can't choose an order because monstrosities of this stature aren't calculatable. (sp?)...


Hitler...Bin Laden... Hussein... These are people I am simply more familiar with, except history lessons... from reading material there are definitely more to mention, musolini, napoleon, even the winning side of WW1 that I got to study a little about.... Humanity dealt a lot of crap on itself throughout history, along with a lot of good, it's just that these supreme negativities are so much more loud and intense...

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer I dont understand why all of the villians are from the last century (or at least most)...? I would prob disagree with saddam, milosevic, mao tse tung, as being in the top five... 1. hitler 2. Genghis Khan 3. Attila the Hun 4. Pol Pot 5. Julius Ceaser (in all fairness, nixon shouldnt be that far down)

actually, ceaser wasn't that bad...
and NIXON???? what? huh? You think nixon was one of the 5 greatest villians ever? LoL... man you need to do some more history homework - if you read more about the entire watergate scandal, and events during the nixon administration, you'd know that he never did anything wrong - he was a scapegoat/puppet that took the fall...

ahhh, *wipes tear from eye*, humor.

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer I dont understand why all of the villians are from the last century (or at least most)...? I would prob disagree with saddam, milosevic, mao tse tung, as being in the top five... 1. hitler 2. Genghis Khan 3. Attila the Hun 4. Pol Pot 5. Julius Ceaser (in all fairness, nixon shouldnt be that far down)

dude...omg...Can you please elaborate on how you think Julius Caesar is put in the ranks of Hitler and Genghis Khan

He was the best thing to happen to the Roman empire, next to his adopted son Augustus. Today's time's are greatly influenced by the times of both of the Caesars (Julius' and Augustus' reign). Not only that, but he's considered to be the greatest strategician of all time.

As for fictional villians, then Onslaught takes the cake. I mean, he took out the Fantastic Four AND the Avengers!!!

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline actually, ceaser wasn't that bad... and NIXON???? what? huh? You think nixon was one of the 5 greatest villians ever? LoL... man you need to do some more history homework - if you read more about the entire watergate scandal, and events during the nixon administration, you'd know that he never did anything wrong - he was a scapegoat/puppet that took the fall... ahhh, *wipes tear from eye*, humor.

im talking about all the people he killed in Vietnam, and other asian countries...

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH dude...omg...Can you please elaborate on how you think Julius Caesar is put in the ranks of Hitler and Genghis Khan He was the best thing to happen to the Roman empire, next to his adopted son Augustus. Today's time's are greatly influenced by the times of both of the Caesars (Julius' and Augustus' reign). Not only that, but he's considered to be the greatest strategician of all time. As for fictional villians, then Onslaught takes the cake. I mean, he took out the Fantastic Four AND the Avengers!!!

he was an extremely warful (hehe) warrior....? and he lead campaigns throughout the medditeranean,, so yeah...! hehe

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer he was an extremely warful (hehe) warrior....? and he lead campaigns throughout the medditeranean,, so yeah...! hehe

u suck (just kiddin)

anyways, ya, he was "extremely warful" as u put it but back then society was VERY different. Of course, it doesn't justify killing thousands of people, but what bad did he really do? He created the largest empire the world has seen up until Charlamagne's time, AND his empire thrived. Not only "financially"...but in every way imaginable, even though he was disliked by many Romans. I should really refresh my own memory of all this, since it's been 3 years since I studied Ancient Civ...but I really can't think of any way he was "bad".

And he lead many campaigns throughout most of Europe and the Med, and Asia, and won most, if not all, of them. And I remember reading somewhere that he wasn't really a heartless killer. He was just very ambitious. He didn't order the slaughtering of innoncent people, like Hitler, Stalin or Khan did

"Veni, vidi, vici"
-Julius Caesar

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it depends on the definition of evil, if you take the Christian view of evil as the "love of committing sin" then most succesful people are evil.

So it then becomes a question of degree. Did dictator x kill more people than dictator y.

As often as not people who commit evil believe they are doing the right thing and they engage in elaborate self deceptions and justifications to continue with their evil.

The people who are truly evil are those that intellectually know what they are doing is wrong, but still do it anyway, because its the way to get ahead.

The classic example of this is Hangman Heydrich the 2-I-C of the SS. An intelligent man who only believed in furthering his own career, he didnt intellectually believe in any of the nazi doctrine, nevertheless he skillfully and meticulously carried it out because it was the way to get ahead.