When you have a gun you're gonna use it some time.

Do you feel save having one in your house? Fact is most criminals have BIGGER guns.

It's like the cold war. No winners, just losers.

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Originally posted by Blik dude, you can buy fucking guns in a bigg shopping mall for christ sake!!!! and don't say this isn't true, I've been to the U.S. 2 times and I saw it with my own eyes. and that is where the problem starts in the U.S. that man bought a gun because it is so fucking easy to get one. I don't even have the slightest idea where I can buy a gun here in Holland, in Amerika you have a gunshop in every village (as a matter of speaking) when that guy didn't have that easy access to a gun he wouldn't have one probably, and you wouldn't have one either. So you get robbed, but you have your life, and that's what counts. how would you feel when you shot a guy and then you found out his gun wasn't even loaded and he only used it to get money from ya and he had no intension of hurting you?? and you fucking KILLED him!! no, the chances of getting shot in Europe are very small, and when I say very small it really is very small, the only thing that could happen in Europe (when you do nothing wrong) is being stabbed with a knife, and that chance is also very slim why does everyone in the U.S. is so keen on having a gun, they only bring trouble, for everyone. What if you are being held at gunpoint by someone who is robbing you, you don't have a gun so he probably won't kill you, when you have a gun and you take it out of your pocket he will shoot you. And you get killed... simple as that

simple minded answer. i'm not taking chances with my life. i live, thief dies, even if his gun is plastic - for all i know it is a fully loaded real thing and he's threathening my life with it. man, if things were like you want them to be, there would be criminals around here running the streets - what the fuck is the police gonna do to save you after you're dead? yeah, exactly. oh, and like i mentioned before, but now must explain in detail so you wouldnt come back with the same simpleminded statement, BUYING GUNS LEGALLY IN THE US IS A MORE COMPLICATED PROCESS THAN BUYING THEM OFF THE STREET FROM A THUG. 14 day waiting period/FBI background check for ALL handguns, as well as a quick background check before a shotgun is sold.

ah my young grasshopper, there are some thigs i do not expect you to understand yet, but maybe one day you will see my point.

>JM<

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Originally posted by jploveparade Fact is most criminals have BIGGER guns.

...they usually walk around with 12gauges, oozies and rocket launcers as they're trying to jack somebody....so yeah what's the point of carrying a handgun to protect myself when the bad guy has the rocket launcher.

>JM<

Ban guns - let the police and the military have them, and no one else!

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Originally posted by Maaz Ban guns - let the police and the military have them, and no one else!

dont forget the criminals

>JM<

It'd probably be nice if we slowly phased guns out of general circulation. Banning them outright would cause an increase in crime, at least temporarily, because criminals would still have guns, whereas other citizens would not. However, destroying guns used in crimes and continually reducing the manufacture of guns would slowly decrease their availability until they were relatively rare. This process, however, could take a century, or more, to be truly effective. Any change more drastic than this, however, would likely trigger enough short-term problems to be undesirable as a solution.

The sad truth is that guns are very much tied to the culture of the US, and simply banning them is not a viable solution to the problem of gun-related violence.

Guns can be marginally effective as a method of crime prevention, but relying on them to serve such a function is a double-edged sword, and far too often we end up cutting ourselves.

Cheers,

Arbiter

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Originally posted by Juricimo dont forget the criminals >JM<

Well, the law won't let them have it... though they don't care about the law

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Originally posted by Juricimo another thing is why not be able to defend when a buster comes up to you and wants to shoot you. what r u gonna do call 911? haha. nope you're gonna shoot the mothafucka that is threathening your life that's what you're gonna do. survival of the fittest.

This scenario is pushing reality a little far for me.

Most anyone who comes up to you on the street, brandishing a gun is doing it to get your money...now what's the intelligent solution here?

A) Give him your money, and send him on his way.

or

B) Pull a gun, and hope that you both don't end up dead.

I suppose said "street thug" could be doing it in response to a perceived threat, or slight, but again, what makes more sense?

A) Calming down, and talking your way out of the situation.

or

B) Pull a gun, and turn a messy situation into a bloody one.

I guess my approach to life differs greatly from your own, but I wouldn't even consider touching, much less purchasing a gun, and I sure as hell wouldn't be carrying it around with me to ward off danger like you seem to be suggesting with this example.

Pulling a gun is a guranteed way to take a bad sitatuion, and escalate it several notches.

You seem to be just assuming in this, and a later statement, that if you have a gun on you that you're instantly solving any possible problems you'll have with street criminals, and while I don't have any statistics, I'd be willing to wager that people who pull guns in such situations are multiple *powers* more likely to end up dead or wounded as a result of escalating the situation.

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Originally posted by CortexBomb while I don't have any statistics, I'd be willing to wager that people who pull guns in such situations are multiple *powers* more likely to end up dead or wounded as a result of escalating the situation.

I suspect you are correct, but...

death before dishonor!

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Originally posted by CortexBomb Most anyone who comes up to you on the street, brandishing a gun is doing it to get your money...now what's the intelligent solution here? A) Give him your money, and send him on his way. or B) Pull a gun, and hope that you both don't end up dead.

i'm looking at it from a "life or death" point of view, but you're looking at it from a "please don't kill me" point of view. i REFUSE to bargain.

>JM<

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Originally posted by Maaz Well, the law won't let them have it... though they don't care about the law

many of you are failing to realize that street crime is very happening in the USA. in other works, no matter what the law states, there are those that constantly disobey it. one way to disobey the law is by selling arms in the "black market"...hence, criminals and anybody else for that matter WILL be able to obtain guns no matter what the law states

>JM<

Juricimo, do you own a gun yourself, or your parents perhaps?

Did you ever shot someone? and if so, how did you feel about it?

I really don't understand that you think that there is nothing wrong with the guns in the US. You say that it is very easy to buy a gun illegally, but at the same time you say that there's nothing wrong with owning a gun

don't you realise that you buy a gun to use it eventually?? you don't buy a gun so that you feel save, you buy so you can use it when you are being attacked.

another thing: when you have a gun, you may commit a crime sooner because you feel save with that gun, let's say you are not a criminal, you didn't do anything wrong in your life. But then you get in trouble, you don't have any money, you work for the money but you don't have enough to pay your depts. It is very easy for that person to rob a 7-11 or something like that to get some money. which pushes the crime-rate up again...

Cortexbomb: I am with you totally, you wrote it down in the best way possible

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