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Zoso
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Dirty South, United States

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Originally posted by Lira
Nah, it's fine, I'm not really partisan in any way

You have to keep in mind labour unions are much stronger in Brazil than in the US - think of us as an American nation with European politics. We've got no prime ministers, as in the US, but loads of political parties and coalitions, as in Europe. The US has never really been a socialist stronghold, and that's where labour unions seem to thrive (reason I'm lumping it all together for brevity's sake). Brazil, however, a lot like Europe, is much more ambiguous about socialism and workers rights.

Whereas there isn't a big socialist party in the US (which is why Bernie such a poor fit in the Democratic Party), the Workers' Party is Brazil's 2nd largest party - and, if you include splinter groups, they easily outnumber the nominally biggest party, a centrist big-tent relic of our past.

Trade Union density here hovers around 26%, as in the UK, and one of the reasons behind this general strike is that workers will no longer have to pay an obligatory union tax, so there's a lot of money involved and benefits to affiliates. As a matter of fact, the party that ruled the country up until last year is closely linked to Brazil's largest trade union the Central Única dos Trabalhadores (the Unified Workers' Central), something I've never seen in the US. So views regarding trade unions here depend on your political leanings. While they're popular among leftists, let's just say right-wing Brazilians aren't fond of them, to put it mildly.

So, in short, they're powerful. Whether or not they're seen as an effective force for good depends on whom you ask (as a centrist, I think they're a necessary evil).


Thank you for that. I think in the US, at least in my neck of the woods, unions are somewhat frowned upon (many companies locate factories in the South because of the lack of union shops). I think unions, at one time, played a very vital role in the US. I feel we would not have nearly the federal employment laws we have today that generally serve to benefit and protect workers were it not for unions. One might make the argument that, with these laws, unions have "served their purpose," but the price of "freedom" is eternal vigilance, as they say.

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Lira
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Brasilia, Brazil

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Thank you for that. I think in the US, at least in my neck of the woods, unions are somewhat frowned upon (many companies locate factories in the South because of the lack of union shops). I think unions, at one time, played a very vital role in the US. I feel we would not have nearly the federal employment laws we have today that generally serve to benefit and protect workers were it not for unions. One might make the argument that, with these laws, unions have "served their purpose," but the price of "freedom" is eternal vigilance, as they say.

I don't disagree with you, actually.

The history of employment laws in Brazil is quite weird though because, for the most part, we still use the laws of the closest we've had to a fascist dictator, who appeased workers to avoid a Communist uprising. So it was the right, rather than the left, that passed pro-workers legislation around here... And I'm not sure trade unions had that much of a say. I suspect the history is quite different in the US though


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Zharen
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Registered: Mar 2003
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Spent my Fri-Sun moving stuff in to the new place. The move for the most part, went fairly smooth. Got a little nervous having to drive that moving truck through afternoon capitol traffic, but no one got hurt luckily. I haven't had time to actually enjoy the new roommate-less spot, had a beer and a few shots last night then it was off to bed for work. But I'll def be getting cozy to it this week. Adulting, fuck yeah!

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