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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal But what if you got guest or VIP list? Would you go to one?!?!

Hah! My wife has told me that that's the only way she'd go to a festival these days. I dunno, it all depends. Even with artists I love, I'd still be hesitant and expect them to play more towards the larger common denominator, and VIP doesn't always mean no riff-raff, it just means that I could still be around people who don't know how to party right, they'd just have more money than the rest of the attendees.

I sound like an asshole, lol.

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Originally posted by idoru Hah! My wife has told me that that's the only way she'd go to a festival these days. I dunno, it all depends. Even with artists I love, I'd still be hesitant and expect them to play more towards the larger common denominator, and VIP doesn't always mean no riff-raff, it just means that I could still be around people who don't know how to party right, they'd just have more money than the rest of the attendees. I sound like an asshole, lol.

Ha! Have you seen my signature?!?!

VIP generally means we'll just be around more (entitled) douche bags (Enter Nerologic!).

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I still go once in a year or so. I'm going to Coachella this year and went the last 2 years. Also went to the Anjuna Beach mentioned.

I got VIP for Coachella the first year....but not last year or this year. It just gets you a couple extra bs sections and different entry....the real VIP is artist or artist guest pass.

Were you thinking about producing a massive Billy? Sounds like a good money maker if its done right. Also could be super risky. I guess its easier for established promoters that already have HUGE email lists for blast and promotion.

I guess there are certain DJ's that help promote and sell out venues. Chris Lake and Fisher had multiple nights sold out at the Shrine recently.

Can't do the beach thing in LA. Only reason its done in OC is because that is a State Beach in Huntington Beach. In LA there is the LA Historic Park near Chinatown owned by the State.

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No. Don't plan on doing any type of events (Billy been retired for a long time).

I happened to see the (resistance stage) lineup for Ultra and just thought I'd ask to see if any of us old farts would even go to something so big.

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal VIP generally means we'll just be around more (entitled) douche bags (Enter Nerologic!).

Bro. A few years ago I got a couple of passses for edc, I was so butthurt when I got the email from Insom stating that the passes were only GA I thought “what kind of friend gives their friend GA.” I was pretty sour they weren’t Guest passes that I almost didn’t go. I went anyways because I promised a girl I would take her. I didn’t tell my Dj friend anything, but the Thursday before Vegas EDC my friends TM messaged me and tells me to meet him to pick up the wristbands (ended up getting 1 guest 1 artist) and then I gave away the GA’s.

Looking back I totally felt entitled like I deserved guest when in reality I should have been thankful to get anything haha

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Originally posted by mar46017 Were you thinking about producing a massive Billy? Sounds like a good money maker if its done right. Also could be super risky.

I had dinner a few weeks ago with some guys my good friend introduced me. They wanted to do something (this year) in Coachella/Indio area. They have the land, but they wanted to do a big hip hop rap show. The guys are on board have been in the industry in a while but haven’t done events, other are a few guys that used to be famous and are now trying to get back into things. They had access to capitol as well.

They didn’t really like what I had to say because it was a rude awakening to how those things work. I told them not to start out expecting 20k+ people to show up and tone down the festival since they hadn’t done shit, especially in a long time. Also recommended adding edm or techno as a small side stage and not just pure hip hop rap. People get bored and would like to walk around. I also pretty much opened their eyes to production, they thought all you need is a stage a porta potties but let’s get real you need to have other shit to keep people entertained. I also gave them more realistic numbers on how much something like that would cost to produce outside of what the artist fees and marketing fees. They thought my number was inflated (might have been slightly) but I feel like it was very realistic considering my experiance. The biggest issue they had in my opinion was they wanted to do it this year, yet they didn’t have anything in motion yet. I even said guys have you not seen the Fyre Fest documentary?

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Originally posted by Nerologic Bro. A few years ago I got a couple of passses for edc, I was so butthurt when I got the email from Insom stating that the passes were only GA I thought “what kind of friend gives their friend GA.” I was pretty sour they weren’t Guest passes that I almost didn’t go. I went anyways because I promised a girl I would take her. I didn’t tell my Dj friend anything, but the Thursday before Vegas EDC my friends TM messaged me and tells me to meet him to pick up the wristbands (ended up getting 1 guest 1 artist) and then I gave away the GA’s. Looking back I totally felt entitled like I deserved guest when in reality I should have been thankful to get anything haha

hahahaha! I haven't had GA guest list let alone VIP in years yo! Last massive I went to was Crssd Festival in SD and paid for tickets. I feel like such peon.

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Originally posted by Nerologic I had dinner a few weeks ago with some guys my good friend introduced me. They wanted to do something (this year) in Coachella/Indio area. They have the land, but they wanted to do a big hip hop rap show. The guys are on board have been in the industry in a while but haven’t done events, other are a few guys that used to be famous and are now trying to get back into things. They had access to capitol as well. They didn’t really like what I had to say because it was a rude awakening to how those things work. I told them not to start out expecting 20k+ people to show up and tone down the festival since they hadn’t done shit, especially in a long time. Also recommended adding edm or techno as a small side stage and not just pure hip hop rap. People get bored and would like to walk around. I also pretty much opened their eyes to production, they thought all you need is a stage a porta potties but let’s get real you need to have other shit to keep people entertained. I also gave them more realistic numbers on how much something like that would cost to produce outside of what the artist fees and marketing fees. They thought my number was inflated (might have been slightly) but I feel like it was very realistic considering my experiance. The biggest issue they had in my opinion was they wanted to do it this year, yet they didn’t have anything in motion yet. I even said guys have you not seen the Fyre Fest documentary?

I'm glad you told these n00bs straight up what it takes to pull off a successful show. All these "industry" people think they can just throw a big show and make money. We've seen the evidence (Fyre fetival) that it doesn't happen that easy.

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Originally posted by Nerologic I had dinner a few weeks ago with some guys my good friend introduced me. They wanted to do something (this year) in Coachella/Indio area. They have the land, but they wanted to do a big hip hop rap show. The guys are on board have been in the industry in a while but haven’t done events, other are a few guys that used to be famous and are now trying to get back into things. They had access to capitol as well. They didn’t really like what I had to say because it was a rude awakening to how those things work. I told them not to start out expecting 20k+ people to show up and tone down the festival since they hadn’t done shit, especially in a long time. Also recommended adding edm or techno as a small side stage and not just pure hip hop rap. People get bored and would like to walk around. I also pretty much opened their eyes to production, they thought all you need is a stage a porta potties but let’s get real you need to have other shit to keep people entertained. I also gave them more realistic numbers on how much something like that would cost to produce outside of what the artist fees and marketing fees. They thought my number was inflated (might have been slightly) but I feel like it was very realistic considering my experiance. The biggest issue they had in my opinion was they wanted to do it this year, yet they didn’t have anything in motion yet. I even said guys have you not seen the Fyre Fest documentary?

I was reading this thinking, OMG this is Ja Rule and he's trying to do FYRE DESERT

People don't get what it takes. Back in the 90's, there was a promoter in London holding small events trying to grow it. He lost money despite good trunouts, good DJ's for basically the first three years and basically kept it afloat by dealing and pouring every [enny back in to the "brand" until he got the the point it was 5000 people. Then he started making money and was able to scale it to 20k people events. Even then, he didn;t make millions before the music moved on and the scene died etc.

People just don't get the numbers or the risks involved with promoting, or what it actually takes to hold an event.

This does a really good job of nailing why I'm not so much into massives/festivals these days.