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Sykonee
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by JonDC
Can you give any examples of tracks that fit the bill?

Anything R Kelly is what immediately springs to mind.

With regards to clubland, that's a bit more difficult to pare down. Even woefully outdated stuff can still trigger retro charm. There's probably a whole pile of trance tunes from the '00s that were thought of as classics for a couple years, but hardly remarked upon now (must I scour 14 volumes of ASOT Classics compilations to find them?)


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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

It's very, very rare that the entire dance music scene collectively decides something isn't a classic anymore. Even if the accusations of Derrick May being a wrong'un keep piling up, I doubt Strings Of Life is going to be suddenly erased from the canon. It's on too many mixes, in too many record collections, commemorated in too many books. So this can only be a case of something becoming a "forgotten classic".

I suppose the philosophical question you're asking is who needs to consider a track a classic? Does it need to be known to the kids of today, or is it enough to still be remembered in the increasingly patchy memories of retired veterans?

In the past I might have said tracks can get stylistically phased out. Some of the mad high-tempo, low-tech bangers of the 1990s just wouldn't fit in any modern DJ set and so younger generations were less and less likely to be exposed to them. Similarly, during the great minimal techno re-write of the mid-00s, certain styles (trance, prog, breaks) were considered deeply uncool and the dance music press made a concerted attempt to downplay their significance, acting like the entire previous decade was a superclub folly and the correct lineage led straight from Chicago/Detroit through Berlin to the monotonous Germanic styles du jour.

But then what happened? People started making good ecstasy again, the tempos got higher and the music more euphoric, and suddenly everyone remembered how great the 1990s were after all. DJs like Ellen Allien, once the bastion of '00s Berliner minimal cool, have started playing Man With No Name tracks in amongst banging high-tempo techno. Now I see tracklists from young Gen Y or Gen Z producers/DJs pulling out super obscure Sasha IDs from 1997 or 1993 and playing them alongside the new stuff. It makes me appreciate the role sites like TA, with the patient track ID hunts, have played in contributing to the knowledge of younger generations of clubbers.


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kpjf
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Registered: Sep 2004
Location: BELFAST

quote:
Originally posted by JonDC


There’s 3 criteria that spring to mind for me:
1 Did the track make a significant impact on *its* scene when it was released?
2. Did the track have an impact on other scenes as well? (Did it get played by various DJs across different genres)
3. Does it still sound amazing today? And an acid test here is probably ‘could it be played in a modern set without sounding completely contrived?’


Of course number 1 is very important. But, I really don't really agree with number 2. System J mentions Ellen Allien dropping Man with no Name, sure that kind of track could work in hard techno, but clearly PFM's atmospheric dnb classic 'One and Only' wouldn't work in her set (or in any techno, trance, house, garage set). Really 100% impossible. Does that mean 'Teleport' is more of a classic? Absolutely not.


I don't really think number 3 has any merit. Let's imagine a classic from 1997 and is put in a set today. Most will sound out of place, but that shouldn't reduce its quality as a classic in the slightest. I guess though this is why you get some tracks that are given a revamp, the beat/speed made a bit more modern with not much change to the sound. I guess if the track fits into a modern set it's just a bonus

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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The Man With The Red Face is a capital C Classic.


what does this mean?


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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Some of the mad high-tempo, low-tech bangers of the 1990s just wouldn't fit in any modern DJ set and so younger generations were less and less likely to be exposed to them. Similarly, during the great minimal techno re-write of the mid-00s, certain styles (trance, prog, breaks) were considered deeply uncool and the dance music press made a concerted attempt to downplay their significance, acting like the entire previous decade was a superclub folly and the correct lineage led straight from Chicago/Detroit through Berlin to the monotonous Germanic styles du jour.

But then what happened? People started making good ecstasy again, the tempos got higher and the music more euphoric, and suddenly everyone remembered how great the 1990s were after all. DJs like Ellen Allien, once the bastion of '00s Berliner minimal cool, have started playing Man With No Name tracks in amongst banging high-tempo techno.


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Originally posted by Spacey Orange
what does this mean?


Did they not teach you about capital letters at Starfleet Academy?


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