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Originally posted by dJohn And obviously you don't know what goes on in football games... Yeah, sure rugby is tough without pads and all, but the speed of the players is pussyshit compared to the NFL...theres a reason why the NFL is hailed as the most successfull sporting league in the U.S(a country where sports has an unbelievable, ridiuclous impact on society). American football moves at an incredible pace...it's a game where the true form of winning is mental intimidation, and this comes with how fast you can outrun or how hard you can hit...and both extremes aren't pretty at times. The NFL may seem like a bunch of oversized muscle heards trying to kill each other, it's much more deeper and less blunt than that...it's a game of wits combined with pure physical play, and that's why I think football is a much more rough and physical sport than hockey. While hockey does have it's dangers, such as a rubber puck flying at fatal speeds, and players using natural inertia to hit each other, that's not the point of he game...hockey is more of finesse and precision OVER physical play. Of course, in any sport, physical dominance is a key factor, but hockey relies less on this and more on technical skills. That's not to say that hockey isn't physical or hard...I'm sure it takes skill to manuever a puck while a bunch of guys are flying around the rink at dnagerous speeds, moreso to evade and get a shot off. Hockey is a real sport...a physical sport. I'm not gonna defend football because I feel I don't need to. Just look at a game..that should tell you enough.

there is no comparison between rugby and gridiron because you add the padding and inhibitions are removed. seriously you would not see ppl dive like that without pads because it removes that fear which holds you back from doin stupid shit like diving head first into ppl. both sports have their positives but rugby is better. my dad being a kiwi has nothing to do with it. because rugby players need to concentrate on technique to get the big hits, it is better to watch than some dude just diving into his opponnent.

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rugby

2 x 40 minute halves
continual running and pushing
you get breaks at scrums and lineouts...you have to push in scrums and then lift in lineouts
continual tackling, not just pushing and positioning
according to a study by the australian institute of sport, forwards in rugby were reported to sweat more per kilo than any other athlete in any sport....these are taken from the l33t too not just fat dudes who play subbies. thats gotta be sufficient proof that rugby is tougher

finally, that is all

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The paddings are there for a reason...football started as a physical game, so they implemented pads for saftey purposes. As the years went on, padding technology improved because the players got bigger, faster and stronger.

Football
4x15 minutes quarters...add about an extra 30 minutes for ad and huddling, timeout etc...
Sprinting, repositioning, sprinting, repositioning, which is much harder than continual running because of the strain effect it has on the heart and body...ever try sprinting 40 yards, moreless 10 yards, squat back down, sprint and squat? Your dead after 3 plays. That's why they have subs.
They don't tackle in the NFL...they hit. And they hit hard. Again, that's why the pads are there. It's a self feeding cycle...becaue the game got more punishing and physical, they have more pad...and because they have more pads, the players are able to hit harder.
OFFENSE
Receivers: Sprint, block, catch...they say that the Super Bowl Rams(99) receivers(Holt, Bruce, Proehl, Hakim) are fast enough to win the 4x100 relay in the Olympics...add this intensity and speed to continuos repositioning and exploding off the line, not to mention extreme concentration while trying to catch a ball knowing your gonna get waxed by a safety.
Backs: The fullback has to be the most miserable position...blocking for someone else everyplay?
Linemen: No explanation needed
DEFENSE
Linemen: No explanation needed
Corners and DBs: Continous sprinting downfield with the receivers, often getting burned and trying to keep up. They get merited for breaking up a play, but are pointed out for not.
Linebackers: IMO, the most difficult position to play in any sport...they gotta read the run, blitz the Q, provide zone coverage or drop back for pass coverage...mind you they are sprinting at every turn. If they read the wrong play, the defense falls apart.

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forwards in rugby were reported to sweat more per kilo than any other athlete in any sport....these are taken from the l33t too not just fat dudes who play subbies. thats gotta be sufficient proof that rugby is tougher

So if you sweat more you are tougher...I sweat an abnormal amount for my body weight..doesn't say shit. So no, it's not sufficient proof that it isn't tougher.

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Originally posted by dJohn 4x15 minutes quarters...add about an extra 30 minutes for ad and huddling, timeout etc...

dude when the broncos and that came out here the game went for like 2 or 3 hours. the most BORING thing ive ever seen. all these time outs and shit gives you time to think about plays.

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Originally posted by dJohn Sprinting, repositioning, sprinting, repositioning, which is much harder than continual running because of the strain effect it has on the heart and body...ever try sprinting 40 yards, moreless 10 yards, squat back down, sprint and squat? Your dead after 3 plays. That's why they have subs.

haha dude there is no such thing as continuous running in rugby (forward wise). furthest most forwards will run is 3 metres BUT sprinting is fine compared to having to hit and drive every time youmeet the opponent. straight away you gotta get back up....someone else gets tackled, you have to clear over the top and protect the ball.....on and on recycling possession just so the backs can score. training every night (preseason) is sprintwork cardio and in season its just one night a week

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Originally posted by dJohn They don't tackle in the NFL...they hit. And they hit hard. Again, that's why the pads are there. It's a self feeding cycle...becaue the game got more punishing and physical, they have more pad...and because they have more pads, the players are able to hit harder.

you aint allowed to shoulder charge in union but you are in league. i personally feel its stupid because there is no skill in throwing youself at someone....hitting someone in a legitimate tackle and knockin em on there as is more satisfying cause its harder to do.

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Originally posted by dJohn So if you sweat more you are tougher...I sweat an abnormal amount for my body weight..doesn't say shit. So no, it's not sufficient proof that it isn't tougher.

i made this statement because its based on a large number of subjects (i think) but you dont go round putting shit like that on the net if you just tested one person. trust me dude some guys in rugby are the fittest mofo's youll ever meet


in conclusion i never said that american football wasnt tough...some of those guys are the toughest guys you could meet BUT step back and take all these things into consideration. and nothing brings a tear to the eye than having your leg stomped on or back raked by metal studs....man i love rucking ppl

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Relevant fact # 1 :Girls wear pads during their menstrual cycle.

Relevant fact # 2 :GridIron players wear pads before during and after a game.


CoIncedence? I think NOT. www.nfl.com

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I gotta give it to rugby players...those metal spikes they wear are fucking insane.
And I didn't say rugby players weren't tough either...I've seen them play, and it aint pretty.
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haha dude there is no such thing as continuous running in rugby (forward wise). furthest most forwards will run is 3 metres BUT sprinting is fine compared to having to hit and drive every time youmeet the opponent. straight away you gotta get back up....someone else gets tackled, you have to clear over the top and protect the ball.....on and on recycling possession just so the backs can score. training every night (preseason) is sprintwork cardio and in season its just one night a week

When you make contact in this game, you are either doing two things: blocking, or hitting. Both of them require all of your energy to sustain and to deliver a maximum effect...blocking requires extreme stamina in legs to support the upperbody driving off or cutting off the player. Blocking has got to be one of the most misreable assignments in football.

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i personally feel its stupid because there is no skill in throwing youself at someone

I understand where your coming from, and I don't blame you...a 220 pound guy flying into another doesn't look like it takes much to execute, but believe me, there's more to it. Timing, angle, positioning are all in consideration when delivering a hit. Hitting in itself is a science...there's a reason why people like Ray Lewis are feared, and it's not just because they are big. If you've seen John Lynch(Safety for the Tampa Bay Bucs) hit, he delivers bone jarring ones game after game...it's not coincedence, it's skill.

I love both sports...both represent 'toughness' in different degrees, but what I also find is that rugby fans are very biased and tend to be ignorant towards the physical punishment they only see on TV, while they have no idea what it's like to play the game.

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Relevant fact # 1 :Girls wear pads during their menstrual cycle.Relevant fact # 2 :GridIron players wear pads before during and after a game/QUOTE] [QUOTE]CoIncedence? I think NOT. www.nfl.com

Uhh right. Check out www.whatalameassjoke.com

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I love both sports...both represent 'toughness' in different degrees, but what I also find is that rugby fans are very biased and tend to be ignorant towards the physical punishment they only see on TV, while they have no idea what it's like to play the game.

you callin me ignorant? true fans of rugby are those who actually play rugby...crowds arent that high for club games because everyone plays at the same time...saturdays at 3.

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Lets see, American football players wear the most pads of any sport, and still sustain more major injuries than any other professional athletes.

I guess it doesn't take a genius to realize that the roughest sport is.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Lets see, American football players wear the most pads of any sport, and still sustain more major injuries than any other professional athletes. I guess it doesn't take a genius to realize that the roughest sport is.

the injuries occur from the padding and craziness
if you land on your side with your arm stretched out above you just think how much pressure the padding will put on the shoulders joint...thats when dislocations occur
thats just one example...im hopin there are more

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you callin me ignorant?

Uhm. No. Next.

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the injuries occur from the padding and craziness

No, the injuries occur because of the craziness alone. Sure, padding may twist a few joints here and there, but they don't account for major sidelining injuries such as the broken ribs, legs and twisted spines after a hit.

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true fans of rugby are those who actually play rugby

And true fans of football are only those who play right?

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you callin me ignorant?

And are you telling me I'm not a fan?

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Originally posted by Arbiter Lets see, American football players wear the most pads of any sport, and still sustain more major injuries than any other professional athletes. I guess it doesn't take a genius to realize that the roughest sport is.

Wow what an incredibly convincing, air-tight argument you put forth there. The sheer number of facts you used to support it were just mind blowing.