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you are no help to the dude because you are not telling the story of techno properly. Mid 80's Detroit, Michigan....3 guys sat around in juan atkins's house taking about what would they call this new type of music that they made. Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May and Juan Atkins (original 3)....so Atkins suggests they call it Techno....saunderson likes it...May hates it....they somehow convince Derrick May to go with it. Eventually derrick may releases rhythim is rhythim - nude photo and strings of life. This is reallly the start of techno...no europeans were involved in the start. It has evolved over the years....(allows vermi to continue the story....but tell it correctly).

Detroit Techno is more stringy.....with less bass and more focused on masterpieces of sound.

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Originally posted by Maaz Thanks for the samples Could you recommend me some more industrial techno tunes?

yes, get these

shaded area - industry vs. technology
mental destruction - a liquid
acronym - t.e.k.
ben farb - illusionist (juggler mix)
slide - lost & found
daniel oster - optical strand
vromb - defective atom (straight mix)
ergonomic hazard - saliva reservoir
ametric manifold - vrai maximum (rmx)
rod - voltage
chromakey - skyscraper (speculum mix)

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Originally posted by Nyx that track sounds like speedcore in a way

speedcore u say? hmm... that's a pretty strange association as tentack is only 148bmp and speedcore is at least 250bmp

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Back to more info about techno and basically the history

Belleville, Michigan....basically a suburb of detroit...and they had 4 ppl go to the same high school called Belleville High, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, James Pennington (unsung techno producer that never got as famous as the belleville 3) and Juan Atkins. Basically Saunderson and May went to class with Aaron Atkins who is the older brother of Juan and that is how they met Juan Atkins. In 1983, Juan Atkins hooked up with a vietnam vet named Rick Davis and released a few tracks under the name Cybotron. Now they both went their own ways and Juan started to produce under the Model 500 name in 1985. Around that time, Kevin, Derrick and Juan got together and decided on the name of their new genre and they did it as almost a backlash against the music that was popular in those days. 1987 was when Derrick May made ppl notice him and the techno movement. Another name that not many ppl know is Thomas Barnett who helped created what many consider to be May's finest moment but he has stated over the years that it is still the track that he hates the most of the ones that he made called nude photo. Barnett and May worked over a few days and May still thought it sounded too much like new order....so barnett left and May changed the track himself but he still gives credit to the guy who came up with the idea. April 6th/1987....Derrick May's 24th Birthday...he released Strings Of Life. Tho Derrick May has not produced as much because critics slammed the release of his "beginning album" and he announced a retirement from production which to this day still continues...besides him releasing the odd remix and production album with system 7. Now into the picture comes a man called Jeff Mills....former architecture student...he was called the wizard....he helped found Underground Resistance...with Mad Mike Banks (who has never been photographed in his career and some ppl doubt his existance). Eventually Jeff Mills was offered a residency at a club owned by Peter Gatien...so he left. UR was helped by Robert Hood (rarely deejays and rarely produces and does the sound at church), alan oldham aka t-1000 who helped UR grow. Then after that..you had really the second generation of detroit techno producers after Saunderson, May and Atkins really went to Europe to play and they inspired many who were key figures in the European techno scene (Dave Clarke, Lars Sandberg aka Funk D'Void and others) I will leave the history here.....probably next week...i will go into more depth about the european techno scene.

evil_bastard: Cheers mate, I'll look for some more info on Schranz

Acid Junkie: Spasibo! I'm looking for those tunes already. Do you happen to know where industrial techno came from? It's similar to hard techno, but maybe it evolved from ebm and its industrial sub-genres

torontotrance: Thank you very much indeed Check pm

verminator: hhmmm.... so Chicago techno sounds more like current European hard techno (like Dave Clarke and Adam Beyer) or I'm talking shite?

Nyx: well, speedcore evolved from hardcore which evolved from rave which evolved from techno, so it might explain why speedcores sounds like industrial techno to you... even though I'm having some trouble finding the similarities

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Originally posted by Maaz Acid Junkie: Spasibo! I'm looking for those tunes already. Do you happen to know where industrial techno came from? It's similar to hard techno, but maybe it evolved from ebm and its industrial sub-genres

u should figure it out if i say that industrial techno is more commonly known as techno-industrial... in other words, it has evolved from ebm under the influence of idm music. experimental tecno and noise are closely related... but techno-industrial always has a 4x4 beat... and that's the main difference between idm and industrial techno... so if it has a broken/chaotic beat, people usually refer to it as noise... in other words, industrial techno is industrial (turbine-, hammer-, press-, gear-sounds, etc) with a straight beat... but i just call it organized noise.

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Originally posted by Acid Junkie [color=white]u should figure it out if i say that industrial techno is more commonly known as techno-industrial... in other words, it has evolved from ebm under the influence of idm music.

I was just checking... when I got to know what "acid jazz" really was, for example, I became a bit catious with misleading genre names So, before writing something wrong, I'd rather check with people who know the stuff

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Originally posted by torontotrance /me slaps verminator you are no help to the dude because you are not telling the story of techno properly. Mid 80's Detroit, Michigan....3 guys sat around in juan atkins's house taking about what would they call this new type of music that they made. Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May and Juan Atkins (original 3)....so Atkins suggests they call it Techno....saunderson likes it...May hates it....they somehow convince Derrick May to go with it. Eventually derrick may releases rhythim is rhythim - nude photo and strings of life. This is reallly the start of techno...no europeans were involved in the start. It has evolved over the years....(allows vermi to continue the story....but tell it correctly). Detroit Techno is more stringy.....with less bass and more focused on masterpieces of sound.

Yes, but you too are missing part of the history. Atkins/Saunderson/May were middle class black kids from post-industrial Detroit. It's important to know this to understand the true roots of the techno philosophy. The techno fathers rejected the rationale of making music electronically as a means of embracing the ghetto spirit of the 'hood (as with the first strands of hip hop that were being formed in NYC, and house from Chicago as the heir of black & gay disco) , and they looked to post-industrial late 70s European music and culture as their main source of culture.

The influence of the German band Kraftwerk in the techno pioneers is the most obvious one. These guys practically invented electronic dance music with their synth pop and electro breaks which were a reflection of industrial and post-modern Germany. Techno was basically electronic music without the soul or funk of the other stuff being produced those days, and that's what it still is today.

Some people in this forum have said that hard acid techno or whatever other techno subgenre has nothing to do with Detroit. But that's absolute bullshit. You have to analyze the history of music from a really broad perspective to truly understand it. All of the 4/4 genres from today owe a huge legacy to the pioneers of Detroit and Chicago. The export of these kinds of genres in the late 80s to the UK, Ibiza and the rest of Europe is what led to the development of all of these genres that we have today. (1989-the Roland 303 boom and the Second Summer of love are the historical turning points) Even in the first songs of jungle of the early nineties the influence of the tech-sound that was invented in Detroit is pretty obvious. You can't say that a genre originated somewhere from scratch, musical history just doesn't work that way.

hm
migth remind more of it than detroit heh, but it got its own sound
you just gotta hear it
but it fits more with "european" techno than detroit , that's for sure

^^^ Thanks

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Originally posted by DJ PíO Some people in this forum have said that hard acid techno or whatever other techno subgenre has nothing to do with Detroit. But that's absolute bullshit.

It's because of its acid house roots. Acid house originally didn't have anything to do with Detroit, since it evolved from Chicago House. Marshall Jefferson (one of the founders of the new style), was alredy part of the Chicago House scene when he found out what that little silver box could do. That's why Chris Liberator said: "It's not from Detroit, it's not intelligent, but we're fvcking 'aving it here".

The only influence that Acid techno had from Detroit techno was its blending with Acidcore. Considering that Acid techno came from the fusion of Acidcore and Acid house, and that Acidcore evolved from ordinary hardcore which evolved from oldskool "rave" music which evolved from detroit techno... you can say that Detroit had its importance. Not directly though, which is why acid techno purists ignore Detroit techno as being part of the creation of this genre.

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Yes....techno was evolved by a few bands and influences but it's still the belleville 3 from detroit that are known as the real originators of techno. They made up the term....remember when kraftwerks released their stuff.....techno was not a genre. Then again...kraftwerks are basically the influence of many producers that made house, trance and techno. Juan Atkins is known as the techno godfather..and derrick may put techno on the map. If you interview the dudes these days....they will insist they got the inspiration from kraftwerks and others.....which is true and that they got most of their ideas from Ron Hardy playing at the musicbox in chicago in the mid 80's....hardy is sadly dead now btw. Then again..hardy was the catalyst that helped many house legends want to start making music. Then again...as you so well point out....music history is never clearcut and easy....it's very complex with many different factors.

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Originally posted by Maaz ^^^ Thanks It's because of its acid house roots. Acid house originally didn't have anything to do with Detroit, since it evolved from Chicago House. Marshall Jefferson (one of the founders of the new style), was alredy part of the Chicago House scene when he found out what that little silver box could do. That's why Chris Liberator said: "It's not from Detroit, it's not intelligent, but we're fvcking 'aving it here". The only influence that Acid techno had from Detroit techno was its blending with Acidcore. Considering that Acid techno came from the fusion of Acidcore and Acid house, and that Acidcore evolved from ordinary hardcore which evolved from oldskool "rave" music which evolved from detroit techno... you can say that Detroit had its importance. Not directly though, which is why acid techno purists ignore Detroit techno as being part of the creation of this genre.

i second that. acid techno sounds NOTHING like detroit techno. no similarity whatsoever... but u can clearly hear acid house's influence. listen to the punk floyd's album "punk floyd have landed" and u'll see what i mean. the album is a hybrid between acid techno and acid house... something in between.

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