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Originally posted by Floorfiller touche...but i've worked hard to get where i am and someone who hasn't doesn't deserve the same placement.

i agree with you

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Izzy what u wrote is common sense, something I took for granted when it comes to dealing with threats such as terrorism. Therefore I dont really uderstand the debate about it: As i wrote in the other thread, this war for security will never be totally "clean", there'll always be "collateral damage" such as the story cyrus told us...but then again sept. 11 taught us that today's terrorism isnt a dumb act of ramapge without plan. Its a sophisticated network of independet cells based IN the "victim" countries themselves.

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Originally posted by Izzy racial profiling is looking at statistics (of a certain race in this case) and then using that information as a guide to helping access a solution to a certain problem.

I dont think that terrorism constitutes as a precursor for statistics.. seeing that there isnt a large amount of data to analyze. I will admit that the few who have unfortunately terrorized airplanes have been midle eastern.. but that doesnt mean you should be cautious of all the billion or more arabs that exist in this world. Its ridiculous to profile using those reasons.

Statistics should not be welcomed so easily. Many things are labelled as statistics.. but they are manipulated at times. One must take into consideration how.. when and where the statistics were conducted and by who were the answers collected from.

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i can say that in general more jews eat matzot then non jews, and so when creating a grocery store would market a certain advertisment to a certian race of people. i have just racially profiled based on race and have reeked benifits ($).

Grocery stores catering to a specific culture is not an analogy that should be compared to explain trends in terrorist activities as well.


With respect to Affirmative action.. i think its a bunch of bull shit. It totally removes the concept of qulaifications out of the books. Its doing the opposite of what should be done... making things logically unfair in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I dont think that terrorism constitutes as a precursor for statistics.. seeing that there isnt a large amount of data to analyze.

i beg to differ, how about that stat that the majority (if not all) of suicide bombings are done by muslims. using profiling im not saying that someone else wont strap bombs on themselves but that one group is more likely to then the next, find a solution to that has nothing to do with the profile itself. the profile is only an aid

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but that doesnt mean you should be cautious of all the billion or more arabs that exist in this world. Its ridiculous to profile using those reasons.

you're right that is ridicoulus, thats why profiling is vague using only one term, such as being muslim, add to that more factors and you get a more and more accurate profile to go by. agian like gambling. just cause in a poker hand you have a pair doesnt mean you will get a full house, but if you have a double pair chances are better you will get one.
common sense tells you if you have one group more likely to commit a certian act, you will watch them more closely, thats not to say some one else will commit, all you do is pay closer attention to those who meet the ... profile

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Statistics should not be welcomed so easily. Many things are labelled as statistics.. but they are manipulated at times. One must take into consideration how.. when and where the statistics were conducted and by who were the answers collected from.

statitistics can be used as pure fact, there is a one in fifty chance i will get the ace of spades, theres no way you can manipulate around that. yes one can report false and manipulated stats, but then those are just lies. stats should be anaylized as you say by how, where, when, and who took them and then objectively used as a tool to help.

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Grocery stores catering to a specific culture is not an analogy that should be compared to explain trends in terrorist activities as well.

my analogy was to show how racial profiling can be used. it doesnt nessecarily have to apply to terrorism.

agian i wanna stress that everything should be done according to common sense, yes its senseless to detain someone just for being muslim but when raised with other red flags, such as being sweaty, a passport showing recent visits to both iran and iraq, oddly shaped baggage, and many other factors used for profiling then yes that does serve a justification for warranting at least a more in depth inquiry.

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i don't know what is exactly the affirmative action in all its details. all i can say is that you were all fast to pinpoint its negatives points. affirmative action transformed all white police forces to a more representative forces. now cops know a second or third language because they're sons of immigrants or immigrants and can communicate with a city's multicultural population.

age is also another factor taken into consideration in some affirmative action programs. for example the govts will give an advantage to young graduate when applying for a job.

etc etc... its not all bad, it all depend on the context

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In a time like this, I would not be offended at all towards racial profiling. Im sure it can get annoying but Its 100% necessary now. I dont agree with it But I can understand it. I am white and I am "racially profiled" to some extent. Everyone is. By what you do, What you wear, WHat you listen to. Everyone is going to make judgements on you your whole life. You cant stop and bitch about it. Life goes on, Forget the small stuff and just let it go. Maybe I just feel like this because I have never been racially profiled like alot of people have. But some stuff you just gotta let go.