A friend of mine, the Israel-reporter of Germany's CNN, who I use to exchange quite a lot emails with, gave me this interesting document, the official statement from the al ausa brigards:

"In the name of the merciful and compassionate Allah

The Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade

The Military Wing of the Fatah Movement

Palestine

Allah is Great, Allah is Great, Allah is Great

Military Announcement of the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade

The Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade claims full responsibility for the two suicide operations in the heart of Tel Aviv.

In the continuation of the struggle and death in order to follow the path of Allah, with the help of Allah and with the faith in the calling of the holy Jihad one of the suicide units, which included the two suicide attackers - Burak Rifat Abed El-Rahman Halifa and Samer Imad Muhammad Ibrahim El-Nuri - from city of Nablus, succeeded this evening (5 Dec. 2003) to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of the confiscator [of Muslim rights] in Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks. The first suicide attacker blew his pure body up in the street was full of people and immediately following the second suicide attacker blew himself up on an adjacent road. These suicide attacks cause a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land.

We swear before our people [the Palestinians] that additional suicide operations will occur [soon]

The Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade - Saying and doing, promising and building

The People's Army

The Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade

Palestine, 5 January 2003."

Lets see if you can find the key-sentence (tipp: it starts with "these" and ends with "land"). It backs up all of Yoepus' points, showing that terrorism is not fighting FOR liberation of the west bank or Gaza, but against a Jewish existence in the middle east.

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Ok, I agree that they are also fighting to destroy Israel, but occupation gives them more validity in the eyes of nations that are not involved, hence the EU support for Arafat.

Now, about some of your examples, Yoepus:
East Timor: There was terrorism over there, as far as i know, up until they got their own country.
Kosovo: Kosovo wasn't occupied. It was always a part of Serbia. However, a small muslim minority there had a much larger population growth than the serbian majority, and that caused them to become a majority. They wanted to separate from Serbia, Milosevic sent his troops in and they organized their army, The liberation army of Kosovo (UCK). Of course, Milosevic's army was stronger, and he would have won, but NATO intervention stopped him.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Ok, I agree that they are also fighting to destroy Israel, but occupation gives them more validity in the eyes of nations that are not involved, hence the EU support for Arafat.

Yes, but just because the EU and the rest of the world does not recongize the truth, does not mean we should be complacient to this view. It only has 'validity' because ignorant people believe it to be 'valid'. Once people understand it, in its context, they will not longer see it as a valid reason, and therefore lead by condemnation to its downfall.

Or, if more people were to think like you and me about it, then in fact it would not be a 'valid' reason.

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East Timor: There was terrorism over there, as far as i know, up until they got their own country.

There was little terrorism, more resistance movement.

For instance: You did not see any attacks on American interest by East Timorense. You did not see East Timorese as suicide bombers, or planting bombs in the heart of their occupiers cities in such. They did have an armed resistance movement though, but it would be like calling american bread, bread, when comparing it to the 'real' stuff.

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Kosovo: Kosovo wasn't occupied. It was always a part of Serbia. However, a small muslim minority there had a much larger population growth than the serbian majority, and that caused them to become a majority. They wanted to separate from Serbia, Milosevic sent his troops in and they organized their army, The liberation army of Kosovo (UCK). Of course, Milosevic's army was stronger, and he would have won, but NATO intervention stopped him.

I agree with you here. But none the less, technically 'Palestinian Territories' aren't occupied either. I refered it to as an occupation none the less, because you had the people of a different nationallity under soverighnty of another group. But your right, it wasn't a real occupation, but I included it none the less as it was a region regions of dispute.
Also we can see they had a resistance movement, and some terror, even though they weren't under occupaiton - which only strenghts my point really.

I'll ask you one thing. Since the area arafat claims as palestinian are occupied by Israel, has anyone then thought of putting in power there a pro-Israeli government and retreat from those areas? They'd have their own country and the installed government would take care terrorists don't appear. It has been done before.

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