The one reason I can think of to give the land of Israel to the Palestines is that things were like that for a while, and that we shouldn't moan about losing the land to the romans and that that's the way history goes etc. etc.

Then why should the palestines or Arabs that lived in here till the Jewish settlement have the right to complain about our (Or the British, irrelevant) taking it back by force and claiming the land?

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Originally posted by oDrori The one reason I can think of to give the land of Israel to the Palestines is that things were like that for a while, and that we shouldn't moan about losing the land to the romans and that that's the way history goes etc. etc. Then why should the palestines or Arabs that lived in here till the Jewish settlement have the right to complain about our (Or the British, irrelevant) taking it back by force and claiming the land?

Well the 'native' inhabitants of Palestine, didn't seem to complain when they were controlled by the Ottomans, and previously the Turks.

Furthermore you see a dramatic influx of 'native' Arab inhabitants to Palestine during the British Mandate. Almost a 200% influx. Many from diverging Arab countries and backgrounds.

WHY CANT ANYONE TELL ME WHO THE PALISTINIANS ARE??

WHY CANT ANYONE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS POSTED EARLIER.

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME... IT SEEMS AS THOUGH I'M IGNORANT ABOUT THE SUPPOSED 'PALISTINIAN' PEOPLE!!

ALL YOU PRO-PALISTINANS: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!

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Originally posted by melech_mike WHY CANT ANYONE TELL ME WHO THE PALISTINIANS ARE?? WHY CANT ANYONE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS POSTED EARLIER. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME... IT SEEMS AS THOUGH I'M IGNORANT ABOUT THE SUPPOSED 'PALISTINIAN' PEOPLE!! ALL YOU PRO-PALISTINANS: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!

Who were the Israeli's before the nation was formed?

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I don't consider myself to be pro-palestinian, although by your standards I probably am, but anyways, I'll try to answer you.

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1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of government?

An established country of Palestine is NOT necesarry for the palestinians to exist. Do Kurds have their country? Did Ukranians during USSR? Did Israel have it before 1947?

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7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?

No, but I can't name more than two or so Israeli leaders either.

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8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation? 9. What was the language of the country of Palestine? 10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine? 11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and try and find the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, British pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.

Again, the countries existence is not necesarry for the people of it to exist.

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12. Have the Palestinians left any artifacts behind?

Have East Timorians left any?

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13. Do you know of a library where one could find a work of Palestinian literature produced before 1967?

Do you know of one where you can find literature from Rwanda?

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14. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

So only countries that have previously existed have a right to exist now? In other words, USA doesn't have the right to exist, but Carthaga has?

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The one reason I can think of to give the land of Israel to the Palestines is that things were like that for a while, and that we shouldn't moan about losing the land to the romans and that that's the way history goes etc. etc. Then why should the palestines or Arabs that lived in here till the Jewish settlement have the right to complain about our (Or the British, irrelevant) taking it back by force and claiming the land?

Because one of those things happened 2000 years ago and the other one 50 years ago.

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Well the 'native' inhabitants of Palestine, didn't seem to complain when they were controlled by the Ottomans, and previously the Turks.

One reason is that they all shared the same religion. The second one is that nationalism is a relatively new invention dating back to 19th century.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Because one of those things happened 2000 years ago and the other one 50 years ago.

I thought for a moment someone would actually pos this... but think of it this way, 1950 years ago, the older thing could be said to have happend "50 years ago" . In 1950 from now on, the newer one will be talked of as something that happenned "2000 years ago".

Does that give it legitimacy? If Israel will "Hold" the occupied lands and the country of Israel for another fwe centuries, that will make it legitimate and grant it the right to exist?
Some sick idea of bringing the "Survivors" show to life... Seriously, this is like a game of human lives.

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Ok, think about these 2 cases:
Someone kills your brother. 10 years later you find him and kill him.
An English man meets a dude from norway whose ancestor from middle ages was a viking and the vikings attacked the English dudes town back then. He kills the norway dude.
It's not the same thing.

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i remember hearing that the jews were going to make their land somewhere in south america, but i dont remember who said it was israel,and that is why it is what it is today

i dont know if this is true or not, but has anyone else heard something like this?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Who were the Israeli's before the nation was formed?

you put the retard in his place
On a side note, whoever said God gave the Jews Israel, prove it, because that wouldn't stand up in any court on earth.....except maybe texas

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Originally posted by Az you put the retard in his place On a side note, whoever said God gave the Jews Israel, prove it, because that wouldn't stand up in any court on earth.....except maybe texas

Yes but on the other hand the mere essence of this new intiphada (sp?) is because they want Jerusalem and the Al Aqsa temple. Where are religous reasons ignorable and where are they not?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Ok, think about these 2 cases: Someone kills your brother. 10 years later you find him and kill him. An English man meets a dude from norway whose ancestor from middle ages was a viking and the vikings attacked the English dudes town back then. He kills the norway dude. It's not the same thing.

Of course not but looking at it the way U presented it could make one think that if we are going to keep this country for another 100 years or a bit more we could say "Ah, that happened quite a while ago. Let's forget it".

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Originally posted by oDrori Yes but on the other hand the mere essence of this new intiphada (sp?) is because they want Jerusalem and the Al Aqsa temple. Where are religous reasons ignorable and where are they not?

for one thing, the al aqsa mosque (not temple) is for muslims, not jews. it wasnt built as a temple, it was built as a mosque.
in an earlier post on this thread, i said israel wasnt even the first choice of the jews for their holy land (someone please verify this), and i think it was somewehre in south america. lets say it is in south america, what are they going to do, take over the mayan temples and say "yea these were built for us".