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Originally posted by Cyrus King Az.. you took the words right out of my mouth.... Melech mike obviously hopes for bloodshed in the new year.. but cries about it when his people are affected... what a hipocrate.

not another Israel-Palestian thread.

Negotiating with terrorist is not a good way to end terrorism. Arafat had 30+ years to reach SOME kind of agreement with Israel. If he hasn't been able to achieve something in that time span, I believe it is time for him to step aside and give someone else a shot at it ya?

A little bloodshed now is better than a lot of bloodshed later!

if we are able to eliminate the senior levels of command in the PA and wipe out the terror groups in the region (and sooner or later abroad as well), than we can push the government to reform. A lot of lives will be saved down the road!!

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Originally posted by melech_mike A little bloodshed now is better than a lot of bloodshed later! if we are able to eliminate the senior levels of command in the PA and wipe out the terror groups in the region (and sooner or later abroad as well), than we can push the government to reform. A lot of lives will be saved down the road!!

That will create martyredom and cause more deaths.

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not if you put in 1000s of peace keeping brigades throughout the territories!

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Originally posted by melech_mike A little bloodshed now is better than a lot of bloodshed later!

you can't make an ommelette without breaking a few eggs eh?

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Originally posted by melech_mike if we are able to eliminate the senior levels of command in the PA and wipe out the terror groups in the region (and sooner or later abroad as well), than we can push the government to reform. A lot of lives will be saved down the road!!

So you don't like a country's government, you get rid of it, and place one in that'll give into what you want. Thats illegal you muppet, but then again when have israel ever done anything by the book

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Originally posted by Yoepus Arafat had 30+ years to reach SOME kind of agreement with Israel.

I wouldn't negotiate with the Israeli government if they were bombing refugee camps, launching missile attacks at police stations, bombing hospitals etc.... would you?
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Originally posted by melech_mike not if you put in 1000s of peace keeping brigades throughout the territories!

your mental

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Originally posted by Cyrus King That will create martyredom and cause more deaths.

ya in the short run, but how can you be so sure in the long run?

maybe a new pal government will step in that the people love, and will be good to them?

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Originally posted by Az So you don't like a country's government, you get rid of it, and place one in that'll give into what you want. Thats illegal you muppet, but then again when have israel ever done anything by the book

Its not ILLEGAL: first this 'country' delcared war on Israel via its numerous bloody assualts on its land that has killed scores of its citizen. When an act of war is made upon a country, that nation has the legitmate right to defend itself. What is so hard to get there?

Sometimes, the replacement of the enemies government is the prossess is very much acceptable. Look at Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan, just as known examples.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Its not ILLEGAL: first this 'country' delcared war on Israel via its numerous bloody assualts on its land that has killed scores of its citizen. When an act of war is made upon a country, that nation has the legitmate right to defend itself. What is so hard to get there?

Ha! and the Israelis have never killed palestinian citizens?? I'm pretty damn sure you guys are in the lead in that one.
And assassination of heads of state is ILLEGAL whether it's war or not, check it out

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Originally posted by Az Ha! and the Israelis have never killed palestinian citizens?? I'm pretty damn sure you guys are in the lead in that one. And assassination of heads of state is ILLEGAL whether it's war or not, check it out

Where is it Illegal, I'm curious, you might be right.. but I didn't know it was illegal. Seems a bit foolish to be illegal, espeically in time of war.

By the fact that you say Israelis have killed palestinians citizens you are acknowledging the war, right? After all, citizens will die in war, you do know this too right? Its just how things are, sadly.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Where is it Illegal, I'm curious, you might be right.. but I didn't know it was illegal. Seems a bit foolish to be illegal, espeically in time of war. By the fact that you say Israelis have killed palestinians citizens you are acknowledging the war, right? After all, citizens will die in war, you do know this too right? Its just how things are, sadly.

Yes I'm acknowledging it's a war between the Israelis and palestinians, I've never thought that was in question?
UN and Nato have an immense list of the rules of war (being constantly updated by people in the know), and assassinating heads of state is illegal, it's why the allied forces can't just kill Saddam Hussein, as they would be liable to prosecution etc...
I'm sure there will be some website with the rules of war, I just can't be arsed to check

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Originally posted by Az Yes I'm acknowledging it's a war between the Israelis and palestinians, I've never thought that was in question? UN and Nato have an immense list of the rules of war (being constantly updated by people in the know), and assassinating heads of state is illegal, it's why the allied forces can't just kill Saddam Hussein, as they would be liable to prosecution etc... I'm sure there will be some website with the rules of war, I just can't be arsed to check

Well you'll have to check if you'd like to convience me, and others who might be reading this thread.

As far as I know, their is NO international law barring assassination of heads of state, espeically in times of war.

THERE IS, however, a USA executive order (that means a law made by a president, which can be undone also by the president) which bars the military and special forces (intelligence) from assassination heads of state. This was initially based into law I think under Carter, and has not been undone since. But this is a self-imposed constraint on the USA, and is not applicable to other countries who have their own soverighty. As far as I know, no UN, or Geneva convention mentions such assinations.

Furthermore, Israel has not assasinated a single head of state, or attempted ever to do such (as far as we know). Israel has, 'assasinated' known terrorist, and even high level terrorist. On the other hand, it is quiet well established that Arafat's own organization the PLO and its offshots were responsible for many assasination attempts, such as those on the Jordianin king.