Timo Maas said it best. "Music for the Maases"

I agree with Rich from Solarstone:

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Over the next few years, how do you think trance will evolve? Rich: I'm more concerned about the state of the world at the moment, but the current climate suggests that most of the greedy manipulative money-making types are jumping ship, so the scene shall return to those who created it, possibly creating two split scenes, i'e a 'Pop Trance' which as we all know isnt really trance just pop music with a similar style of production' aimed at making money, and a Real 'Trance' scene, which is what we're about, melody and quality production for people who love music first http://trance.nu/v3/interview_show.php?id=113

The problem people have with "trance" going mainstream is that it devalues their own image and they don't want to be accociated with something so commercial. No great loss, the scene will be a better place when they move onto the next big thing.

As Rich from Solarstone said, there's a big difference between pop trance and the trance we all like. There's no reason the two can't exist together.

Oh and TiestoInTheMix, Trance wasn't undergroundin '99. Not where I come from anyway

Maybe what I have to say can put some of your hearts at ease.

I've been listening to trance for 3 years now, and I've been spinning trance for over a year. When I first started listening to trance (or techno, as I used to call it), the first things I listened to were popular radio songs like Alice DeeJay - Better Off Alone, and Aha - Take On Me (Techno Remix). From there I progressed to the slightly less heard of but still very popular and trendy sounds of Oakenfold and Atb. After searching for more trance music, I finally came across Tiesto, who is still one of my favorite DJ's, and then after him I came around to PvD (My current Fav), and then after that the deeper progressive sounds of Sasha, Max Graham, Digweed, James Holden, and some others.

The more underground side of the scene might possibly be more accessible in other countries, but here in the US, the only hints you will get of trance music will be the radio cheese, and if it wasn't for that I wouldn't have even discovered trance at all. I think that if people really love music, and value the same things that trance fans and electronica fans value, they will make their way through the shit and discover what trance is really about.

By the way, if all you guys are afraid of the scene losing its quality and turning to cheese, you should go out and write your own sick tunes

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Originally posted by DJ_Skaya Maybe what I have to say can put some of your hearts at ease. I've been listening to trance for 3 years now, and I've been spinning trance for over a year. When I first started listening to trance (or techno, as I used to call it), the first things I listened to were popular radio songs like Alice DeeJay - Better Off Alone, and Aha - Take On Me (Techno Remix). From there I progressed to the slightly less heard of but still very popular and trendy sounds of Oakenfold and Atb. After searching for more trance music, I finally came across Tiesto, who is still one of my favorite DJ's, and then after him I came around to PvD (My current Fav), and then after that the deeper progressive sounds of Sasha, Max Graham, Digweed, James Holden, and some others. The more underground side of the scene might possibly be more accessible in other countries, but here in the US, the only hints you will get of trance music will be the radio cheese, and if it wasn't for that I wouldn't have even discovered trance at all. I think that if people really love music, and value the same things that trance fans and electronica fans value, they will make their way through the shit and discover what trance is really about. By the way, if all you guys are afraid of the scene losing its quality and turning to cheese, you should go out and write your own sick tunes

i guess i'm asking whether the genre is going to become less special to us. if the masses get their hands on it, will it become raped, mutilated, and trampled down into dust beyond recognition so that it'll lose some or most of its special touch. i guess it does have something to do with self-image. how many of us want to be associated with the stereotype of the close-minded and ignorant progressive fans?

yes, i'm a bit selfish, but only because i don't want the masses to listen to this music because it's "popular"; i don't want 12yo girls going crazy over PVD just because it's the "hip" thing to do. it sickens me to think that someone might listen to trance and not appreciate it for what it is, for its possibilities and emotions.

but that's me and i could be wrong, maybe this all doesn't make sense because, as already mentioned, there will always be that "underground" part that we will be able to enjoy.

p.s. oh, if any of you read (or seen, although the movie is much worse in that sense) The Beach by Alex Garland... i guess that's the thing i'm talking about - what would you do to keep your paradise and should you even try to do anything it all?

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Once again I totally agree.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant But Tranceaddiction also contains the active participation in clubbing life, and that's where commercialization shows its negative side effects such as the "trendiness" to follow the current hip lifestyle without any knowledge about it.

waaa.. you dont have to be a active participant in clubbing life. I never been to a club, or rave(i say this cause pvd played in new years eve =[ ) but i dont even believe that you have to goto clubs or whatever. If you love the music, you dont need to participate in anything.
but i agree with you on the commercialization because most fellow college friends of mine goto clubs a lot, maybe its their passion to dance, or stupid reasons. Trance is still 'underground' in california, but i do see a lot of kids listening to it now. Maybe they're doing it because tehy want to be that 'cool raver' or whatever. I doubt i'd see most of them listening to sasha or digweed.

oh yeah, i would have no idea whats popular anymore since i dont listen to the radio or what mtv or whatever. You guys shoudl try to stay away from radios or whatever since it'll ruin your like for the music you love.

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It's slowly catching on. We'll see what genre will be huge over here since the urban scene will come to and end soon.

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1) 16 Bit Lolitas - Nobody Seems To Care
2) Roger Martinez - Kaleidoscopic
3) Ormatie - She Very
4) 16 Bit Lolitas - Murder Weapon
5) Alex Dolby - Cairo

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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix i guess i'm asking whether the genre is going to become less special to us. if the masses get their hands on it, will it become raped, mutilated, and trampled down into dust beyond recognition so that it'll lose some or most of its special touch. i guess it does have something to do with self-image. how many of us want to be associated with the stereotype of the close-minded and ignorant progressive fans? yes, i'm a bit selfish, but only because i don't want the masses to listen to this music because it's "popular"; i don't want 12yo girls going crazy over PVD just because it's the "hip" thing to do. it sickens me to think that someone might listen to trance and not appreciate it for what it is, for its possibilities and emotions. but that's me and i could be wrong, maybe this all doesn't make sense because, as already mentioned, there will always be that "underground" part that we will be able to enjoy. p.s. oh, if any of you read (or seen, although the movie is much worse in that sense) The Beach by Alex Garland... i guess that's the thing i'm talking about - what would you do to keep your paradise and should you even try to do anything it all?

I don't get why you're bothered why other people listen to trance though? How does that affect your enjoyment of it? Does it mean there's less good quality tunes coming out? I don't think that's the case, it just means there's more shit but you decide what you listen to.

You compare trance to Alex Garlands beach "Paradise". That "Paradise" was actually being spoilt by people who didn't appreciate it, the enjoyment of those who founded it was being directly affected by the newcomers. I don't see how the same can be said for trance.

Plus, that "Paradise" was actually far from that, it was just full of a load of fucked up paranoid druggies.... a bit like the trance scene then Plus there were those who read about it, but never actually went there... again, famililer?

There's really no substance to what you said, if you look at the situation you will realize that it's really rather common. There is no such thing as underground music, get over it, your tastes aren't better than anyone else's, even if they listen to NSYNC. You are both listening to music for the same reasons. So you might as well suck it up, stop being an electronic (and trust me, dance music is not the heart of electronic music) music elitist, and just listen to what you want. It's very selfish to not want other people to listen to a genre of music because you wouldn't want to be associated with them. Not even selfish, just plan moronic...you've missed the point of music entirely...

Everything has the potential to be commercial, and its not up to us to "decide" what to share and what not to share....it's the way things go. If something is overcommercialized, it will eventually die and something else will come about, even in EDM...

except house, which will never die. Ever.

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Originally posted by havok118 There is no such thing as underground music, get over it, your tastes aren't better than anyone else's, even if they listen to NSYNC. You are both listening to music for the same reasons.

That's the problem. We AREN'T listening to music for the same reasons. If classical music were to ever hit MTV (which I really doubt would happen), would people start listening to it because it's "cool to do so"? I wonder how classicaladdicts feel about rap artists rapping and remaking classical melodies. I bet fans of classical aren't too fond of that.

I guess it's hard for many to see my point because you don't feel the same way I do. Maybe I'm just trying to stay independent of the likes of the mainstream public because I don't want them dipping their filthy hands in something that I consider very special to me. Yes, I'm selfish, but only because I don't want the general tourists of music stomping across something precious to me, possibly leaving me with shattered pieces. I'd rather not have trance / etc. become popular at all, than it becoming popular for a short period of time and then dying like disco. I don't know much about disco, but whose fault was it that it died? Was it the public or just lack of fans?

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