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Arsalan
debsh - toronto



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by dj_alfi
if you fuck up and misses the spot, hurry on, and que up the point that is 16 beats(bar) ahead of your original que point.. start it 16 beats after you originally was supposed to...

i dont know if this makes any sense, but it worxz0r=


it makes sense but a hard thing to do... well you can always practice.


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hapamoto
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Canoga Park, California

mikefassy had excellent advice, i couldn't have put it in better words myself, so props to you mikefassy, its really hard to layout what goes on in words when describing something that so needs to be visualized. as for the 'what happens when u fuck up at the club' question, basically you never want to keep a fucked up beat going live, so if u r trainwrecking and you know you are screwed its best to just get out of the mix. you can either just simple slam the cross fader over or turn ur volume fader down real quick, or u can just cover it up by doing a back spin or something along those lines, if ur using a djm600 u can throw in some effects.. but i think (and i've been told to by other dj's) that you should just get out of the mix and just tear it up on the next run, the crowd will forget that they heard a fake ass transition withing 32 bars of the next toon. you can't think about it like a dj, most dj's will purposefully only pay attention to transitions, but the average club-goer is there to party, not critique the dj's transitions. well, thats my opinion on the matter.

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skip
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Registered: Sep 2002
Location: home or somewhere else

can someone explain me this 16/32/64 beat thing properly! i have read about it everywhere but i haven't seen a proper explanation anywhere! so help me out with this one please! i'd like to know all the basics of mixing before i get my mixer (in about ½ years maybe!)

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KoreanDJ
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: University of Washington. SEATTLE

I have been trying this last night and let me know what you guys think of this method.

1. I matched the BPM
2. I already cued up the 2nd record with the 1st record.
3. When the 1st is about to hit the end of the 64 beat sequence, then I raise the volumn of the 2nd track or hit the cross fader.

What do you guys think? I know it won't sound as good since it's not right on the pattern, but I think I could cover it up with EQ mixing/trim gaining.


Steve

PS I think if you know how to scratch (such as "chirping" and the power moves, u will have to upper hand. I think Paul van dyk knows how to scratch as well, I heard him chirping when he was playing at the Cafe Mammbo, Ibiza back in 1999)


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mikefasssy
Fa Kin Su Pah



Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Vancouver

quote:
hapamoto: if ur using a djm600 u can throw in

some effects.. but i think

Yea! I wish I had a sampler or effects pad for just that

reason. If you realize your mix is going to suck, or you

miss your cue point, simply use your expensive auto bmp

linked sampler to play some f*cked up vocals, or a crazy

sound, and slam the fader.

quote:
KoreanDJ: 1. I matched the BPM
2. I already cued up the 2nd record with the 1st record.
3. When the 1st is about to hit the end of the 64 beat

sequence, then I raise the volumn of the 2nd track or

hit the cross fader.


That sounds like it is working. Once you can find those

sequences of beats, work your eq's during the mix

according to the sequences. Raise/Lower eq's at the

beginning of a sequence, or adjust volume levels. This

will give your mix a funky sound (at least to me it

sounds better than just randomly changing things in the

mix), although if you do it tooooo much, it can sound

mechanical.

You also said earlier that you didn't know what to do if

you missed your cue point. If you do have a sampler, use

that or effects. If you don't have those, and really

want to get that mix off sounding half bad, let go of

the cued record at the halfway point of a 32 or 64 beat

sequence. It will sound better that way then just

randomly placed somewhere. If you can't do any of those,

just get your records matched asap, and volume fad,

without overpowering one songs volume. This at least

does your job (going to the next track) without sounding

like absolute crap. The good thing is that most times,

unless it starts to get off beat, people won't notice,

only other dj's

quote:
skip can someone explain me this 16/32/64 beat

thing properly! i have read about it everywhere but i

haven't seen a proper explanation anywhere! so help me

out with this one please! i'd like to know all the

basics of mixing before i get my mixer (in about ½ years

maybe!)


Almost all 4/4 electronica tracks are composed in a 32

or 64 beat sequence. Cymbals, snares, and trance leads

will come in on the first beat of one of those patterns.

If your not sure what I mean, try it with a record or

mp3, starting with the first beat of the song, count 32

(or 64, most times its 32 I think, not sure tho) beats

and then see if anything changes. The least a song will

do is usually a double kick or a double clap or a cymbal

at the 'break' point between sequences.

quote:
JohnSmith: well sometimes when scratching over

the beat, the needle skips one groove back, and you have

to wait for it to ALL the way around again, ARRRGHGH!! i

hate that.
RRG! I hate that so much, stupid

thin, weightless records!!!!!

Hope that helps.

Caleb

ps. Sorry for double spacing, i copied reply from disk cause internet went out.


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Alccode
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

quote:
Originally posted by KoreanDJ
Thanks for the advise DJ Dean!!!


WOW mikefasssy!!!!!!!!! I didn't know you were really DJ Dean in disguise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

j/k

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mikefasssy
Fa Kin Su Pah



Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Vancouver

Hahahah didn't notice that till now


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The Greener
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver

I perfer the Kingsford flavor myself. Propane seems to taste bad! I usually marinade in Soy sauce lots of pepper, tons of garlic. Marinade for a Min. of 4 - 6 hrs

I like mine medium rare, when are we invited???

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Alccode
teksetter!



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

quote:
Originally posted by The Greener
I perfer the Kingsford flavor myself. Propane seems to taste bad! I usually marinade in Soy sauce lots of pepper, tons of garlic. Marinade for a Min. of 4 - 6 hrs

I like mine medium rare, when are we invited???


lol!??? wrong thread?? wrong FORUM????

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Cosmic Realm
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Raleigh, NC

quote:
Originally posted by KoreanDJ
, but I have another question. Let's say you are playing at a club and you missed your cue. Do you guys wait for the next 32 or 64 beat sequence??? What do you guys do in that kind of situation?

Steve


Dude here is what you do if that ever happens.....step away from the turntables and blame it on the person closest to them...works every time

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The Greener
Senior tranceaddict



Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Realm
Dude here is what you do if that ever happens.....step away from the turntables and blame it on the person closest to them...works every time


Unless you are blaming a DJ that smoked yor ass before you even laid your hands down on the setup, don't fuckn' lie.

Jumps happen thats a reality, be aware they can happen ANYTIME!!!! Learn how to make do and not give up.

When I see a DJ and a Jump, I then watch his reaction. If he fixes it or kills a track or whatever and doesn't even show this phases him, goes on like it was nothing..... Thats a Professional!!

Someone who is bothered to the point that it shows disscomfort, and anger not to mention PANIC!!...... This is a Rookie!!!

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The Greener
Senior tranceaddict



Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
lol!??? wrong thread?? wrong FORUM????



Oh shit sorry......

in my crowd "cue" or "Q", Q this Q that
means Barbeque!!!

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