for the longest time i pushed this viewpoint as well.

most people dont give the US the respect it deserves. sure, out presidents have been idiots and have done some retarded shit. sure, there are a number of faults you pick at when a country is the largest and most powerful in the world.

but if the US withdrew all aid, all support, all industry(impossible) then the world would realize how dependent they have become. the problem is the logistics, the relationships, etc. but basically many nations would drop into desperate poverty. this isnt the best solution morally, but it would open some eyes.

israel - talk to the UK if you want to discuss who deserves aid in regards to who created your country.

its funny because places like china, and Russia would remain relatively the same, or prosper on the new found demand for resources, etc. thats precisely the reason that the US would never do such a thing tho...

glad im not living in the US with all this 'terrorist threat' horseshit occurring.

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Originally posted by occrider I'm going to say no to even that. I say lets give the people what they want ... no US involvement AT ALL. Withdraw from NATO (even though we are NATO), withdraw from the UN, withdraw from everything. There's no need for the US to maintain a presence abroad except for trade. We have an ABM missile system, we have a strong military, we don't need allies or a projection of power. If the US did try to maintain any kind of peace or humanitarian mission abroad (aka somalia) it would only result in resentment. It seems that everybody would be happier that way.

also known as complete isolation

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Originally posted by occrider When I said we shouuld adopt isolationism I didn't mean COMPLETE isolationism.

but you just said in your previous post?

please correct me if im wrong.

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Originally posted by occrider We tried it in the early 20th century and it didn't really work but maybe now is a time for the US to return to a state of isolationism. I feel that US involvement in world politics just isn't appreciated anymore. Example: I just saw a news report about S. Koreans burning American flags and stabbing soldiers stationed along the Korean DMZ. Why not just pull our forces out of that region? The S. Korean president was elected on an anti-American campaign. If N. Korean tanks roll across the border ... fuck them. We went to war to protect S. Korea and sent troops to guard the 35th parallel for the past 50 years. This allowed the S. Koreans to invest in their economy to build up a major economic force in the region while the N. Koreans continued to starve their citizens to build up the 5th largest army in the world. The S. Koreans now have the audacity to protest US involvement? I say fuck them, and let N. Korea do whatever it wants, the new American foreign policy is to let live and let die. If Iraq threatens the middle east again ... fuck them, Saudi Arabia can handle its own problems. I'm sick of anti-war demonstrations. I'm sick of anti-American sentiment. It would be so much easier to adopt a neutral policy and just sit everything out. Just think ... what would be discussed in these forums if people weren't bitching so much about American foreign policy? USA get out? Ok ...

Now that's sticking your head in the sand.

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Originally posted by King_Mack but you just said in your previous post? please correct me if im wrong.

Complete isolation is withdrawing from the global community not only politically but economically as well. In the early 20th century the US was virtually, completely isolated. We had erected trade barriers, taxes, and tarriffs on imports. As a result many European countries also had trade barriers against us. Capital was primarily reinvested in America not overceas. For all intents and purposes the US was completely isolated. Now in my previous statements I stated that we should withdraw from everything EXCEPT for trade. We would still interact with the global community with our economy, just not politically anymore.

And would that be sticking our head in the sand? I would say yes but it's better than sticking it in the fire where it appears to be right now.