And Ohhh .. about the signature, man, enjoy some trance ! ! ! ! ! ! and leave politics IN THE POLITICAL FORUM. Theres some french people on this forum, its not nice to jsut show it off. But whatever, its your free will...mmmm thats why I dont like many times conservatives, they take it to extremes.

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Originally posted by Arbiter France makes products? News to me.

dude what kind of comment is that? you've sink lowwwwww

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Forget the boycotts, what's with all the anti-French sentiment in the US? What have the French done apart from oppose a war which the vast majority of the countries in the world disagree with?

I can remember reading an article in a paper over here about how fervent the anger is over there. They showed a picture of the front of one of the major papers (maybe the NY Times?) that had a photo of the US graves in Normandy with the massive heading "Sacrifice" as if to say "seeing as we helped you in WW2, you have no right to oppose this war now". There were quotes from various articles, which included a description of the French as "yellow-bellied surrender monkies". Firstly, what the hell does WW2 have to do with it? Why do Americans (not all obviously, but a lot) bring up World War 2 at every available opportunity? Many American soldiers may have died protecting France in the 1940's and I'm sure that the French appreciate it, but what does that have to do with the war on Iraq? Can the French point to their support of the American cause in the war of independance as a reason why the US should bend over and follow France blindly, doing whatever they are told?

Secondly, given that there isn't anything France can do to stop the US should they wish to go to war without UN approval, what the hell do Americans care what France think? If you're going to ignore international opinion either way, don't kick up a fuss when another nation tells you what you don't like to hear. What would be the point if every nation on Earth agreed completely with what the US said? It's checks and balances. Can you imagine if any given country in history had been allowed to do whatever it liked? To bomb whoever, whenever? A cause needs opposition so that it may see fault within itself. Any cause that ignores its own antithesis - so convinced of its own self-righteousness - is, in all likelihood, acting wrongly. It's wrong to assume that any individual or state can ever be entirely right or entirely wrong in anything it does, and that is why an opposition is needed. Perhaps Bush, Rumsfeld and the gang could read some Hegel (though Bush may actually need to learn how to read first) before they criticise the audacity of the French to disagree with the US: "It is only in mutual recognition that a dialectical movement can take place" - if the thesis doesn't acknowledge the antithesis, the thesis fails to evolve, to improve.

I'm glad that the French have stood up and voiced the opinions of the vast majority of ordinary citizens around the world. It's no coincidence that the French speech after Hans Blix's report received a stirring ovation in the UN Security council whereas Powell's received none. I hope that the EU can find unity in this issue (they have to a certain degree, declaring that war should only be the final resort) and provide a more stable, less aggressive antithesis to the US than the one provided by the USSR. And that's the point - the US hasn't had any opposition since the collapse of the Soviet Union, no-one to keep it in check, no independant international conscience. I think that French/European opposition is good for the US and, most importantly, good for the globe.

So let me be the first to say: "J'adore France et j'adore les gens de francais. Vive le France".

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Originally posted by ahlamalek dude what kind of comment is that? you've sink lowwwwww

= sarcasm

Boycotting French items because they have an opposing view on something is stupid and potentially dangerous. This could cause weak views on Americans to become weaker thus causing future hatered. Luckily this has only been happening with a very minute portion of Americans.

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Originally posted by Renegade Forget the boycotts, what's with all the anti-French sentiment in the US?

I think that a lot of the European anti-Americanism is starting to show it's affects on the American people. Since the French seem to be the most Anti-American then naturally they will see the most reverse discrimination.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen I think that a lot of the European anti-Americanism is starting to show it's affects on the American people. Since the French seem to be the most Anti-American then naturally they will see the most reverse discrimination.

I wouldn't say many Europeans are anti-American; rather, they are anti-Bush Administration.

Nice post renegade! I especially liked this line:

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Originally posted by JudgeJulez I wouldn't say many Europeans are anti-American; rather, they are anti-Bush Administration.

Well like it or not, many Americans share the same views as Bush ... so they are anti-American.

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Originally posted by Arbiter France makes products? News to me.

nice reply, bring something usefull information to the topic
french make some good products what do u think of all those cars

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Originally posted by JM i buy cheddar cheese made in Tillamook, Oregon. i buy red wine made in NoCal, or Yakima Valley, Washington. I WILL REFUSE TO BUY FRENCH PRODUCTS!!!!! The other day, my sister wanted to buy some nice little thing, and when her husband turned it around and read "Made In France" he asked her not to buy it, and gave reasons. She agreed - DID NOT BUY yes, if there are enough people boycotting FRENCH products, France's economy will be hurt a bit, no? I myself will boycott French products....i dont like their policies, reminds me of communism. and to show my support i will write in big yellow bold letters "BOYCOTT FRENCH PRODUCTS - SUPPORT OUR TROOPS FOR JUSTICE" HEH. Well see if that has some impact. And i will post sooo much that my sig will be seen by many on TA, maybe it will have some impact... >JM<

are u really serious??? u boycott german products too?

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