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Originally posted by torontotrance Cass used this example progressive is not really a genre he said...it's really just forward thinking music.

Oh Shit, I like that quote lol!!!

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Progressive is not a genre; it's an attitude towards Electronic Music.

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Try the first disc of Sasha's Global Underground: Ibiza for progressive trance. If you want the housier side of progressive music, listen to the beginning of the first disc of John Digweed's Bedrock. If you want to hear the deep, heavy tribal progressive, listen to disc 2 of John Digweed's Global Underground: Los Angeles.

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That's actually very wrong. Progressive *is* a genre and is short for "progressive house".

You just quoted yourself and mine and proved yourself wrong. That's the point I was trying to make...people are saying porgressive is a genre, when in fact it's a short term for either prog house or trance.
Just like you said, it's progressive house. There's no such thing as just "progressive"...
But in fact what you say is true, then what is progressive trance? Is that prog too? If so, then according to your definition, prog=prog trance, prog=prog house, therefore prog trance=prog house? Of course not.
It doesn't matter though. These days everybody is classifiying electronica so much that it's beginning to fall apart because there are too many to account for...lieterally, one can make a new genre by adding a adjectivial prefix such as deep, or funky to any kinda electronica and claim it as a new genre...funky tech trance anybody?
I just answered because I thought I could give my input. It all comes down to just listening to the music and experiencing what we all love. Peace.

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Originally posted by dJohn I just answered because I thought I could give my input. It all comes down to just listening to the music and experiencing what we all love. Peace.

werd. too many people worry about the classifications of electronic dance music and what is actually "right" (i remember being on some forums and everyone getting upset at whether dnb evolved from jungle or if they were to different genres or whatever i dont really remember).
Point is, use some words that describe the sound. Don't worry too much on what's "correct."
The point is to enjoy the sound of the song, progressive, trance, whatever are just ways to describe it.

forwards thinking music for backwards thinking people

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Originally posted by dJohn You just quoted yourself and mine and proved yourself wrong. That's the point I was trying to make...people are saying porgressive is a genre, when in fact it's a short term for either prog house or trance. Just like you said, it's progressive house. There's no such thing as just "progressive"... But in fact what you say is true, then what is progressive trance? Is that prog too? If so, then according to your definition, prog=prog trance, prog=prog house, therefore prog trance=prog house? Of course not. It doesn't matter though. These days everybody is classifiying electronica so much that it's beginning to fall apart because there are too many to account for...lieterally, one can make a new genre by adding a adjectivial prefix such as deep, or funky to any kinda electronica and claim it as a new genre...funky tech trance anybody? I just answered because I thought I could give my input. It all comes down to just listening to the music and experiencing what we all love. Peace.

basically i think he got you.
well done mate

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Originally posted by dJohn You just quoted yourself and mine and proved yourself wrong. That's the point I was trying to make...people are saying porgressive is a genre, when in fact it's a short term for either prog house or trance. Just like you said, it's progressive house. There's no such thing as just "progressive"... But in fact what you say is true, then what is progressive trance? Is that prog too? If so, then according to your definition, prog=prog trance, prog=prog house, therefore prog trance=prog house? Of course not.

Um no. There's prog house and then there's everything else. I find the term "progressive trance" to be an oxymoron. It is oblivious to the fact that "progressive" predated trance by quite a bit. The terminology of this has to do with the history of the music, independent from how record stores categorize their music today.

But I hear ya. Perhaps the only reason people should categorize the music is so that I can find what I'm looking for at the record shop without having to search through a zillion bins.

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It doesn't matter though. These days everybody is classifiying electronica so much that it's beginning to fall apart because there are too many to account for...lieterally, one can make a new genre by adding a adjectivial prefix such as deep, or funky to any kinda electronica and claim it as a new genre...funky tech trance anybody? I just answered because I thought I could give my input. It all comes down to just listening to the music and experiencing what we all love. Peace.

I can agree with that.

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I think using the term "Progressive" as a genre name is meant as a blanket term to cover both Progressive House and Progressive Trance, since there's so much overlap and cross-over between the two. It's often hard to draw the line... some tracks are housier, some are trancier, and many meet in the middle with elements from both house and trance.

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Originally posted by dJohn Lets get one thins straight. There is no such genre labeled progressive...progressive is a prefix attatched to a specific genre of electronica to give it it's characteristic. Saying you like "progressive" is saying you like "hard"....hard what? Hard house? Trance? Same thing with prog...you like progressive what? Prog house? Trance? Same deal. People be shooting around the word progressive without even knowing it's use...it's NOT a genre, but a prefix to be affixed on a specific division of electronica to classify it under a certain genre. If you use it in poorman terms like everybody is and when it was trendy(2001-2002), ANYTHING is "progressive" to it's true term...epic trance has a progressive feel to it namely because it follows the same format: it "progresses" along and builds up. No. People are very confused as to what progressive is. From my musical knowledge(as limited as it may be) and my listening experience, progressive relies more on feel and mood, ambience and structure, and steadiness rather than big synths,speed, power and overblown buildups that many tracks these days are guilty of(just had to throw that in there). And yes, there is a striking differene between progressive and "regular" I know that some people will have different opinions about this, but I can safely say that this holds true on many accounts. Hope this helps.

OMG, finally someone sets the damn record straight

its so annoying hereing newbs say shit like "i like trance and progressive"

yes to add to what he was saying just like there is uplifting trance and psy trance there is also progressive trance

there is no such thing as progressive and never ever EVER say that annoying ignorant two words in sequence, "trance and progressive", end of rant

I think the difference between Prog House and Prog Trance is really shown well in the dj set of SK at IC 02. He plays alot of Prog House, but also some prog trance (Come Closer, Buenes Aires and Protection). Are am I totally wrong now?