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Originally posted by fr0st I totaly agree with you here.......if bush senior would have completed the task to begin with and completely disarmed Irag we wouldnt be having the porblems we have today...

Yes. It's a shame about that.

Could someone please name just one example where americans actually did help by invading.... exept for helping their own needs.

War in any case is pointless. There can be no justification for violence against others.

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Originally posted by halo Could someone please name just one example where americans actually did help by invading.... exept for helping their own needs. War in any case is pointless. There can be no justification for violence against others.

Kosovo maybe??? I don't know that we got anything out of it (like oil). Maybe you don't remember those pictures of those skeleton people behind the barb-wire fences, but I do. Iraq is not the same thing @ all though.

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I'm working on an Iraq picture, and I will have it up soon.

Link to my online portfolio is in my sig.

um, yeah, bombing a country hat already suffered civil war did sooo many good things....

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I for one am a suporter of war with Irag, I believe it will be the only way to put the middle east to rest. If we dont do something now it will eventually escalate again and again. A man who kills his own people will never take resolve in peace. And no matter how many people say that we should have world peace, i doubt it will not come for a very long time. It is human nature to want to be on top.

Saddam himself is not a major problem in middle east. The whole area is totally fucked up. You really can't single out a specific country that is more problematic than the other. Getting involved in that part of the world only causes harm for the country that tries it. But the problem about upcoming war is that it is a preventive war, and a preventive war can not be justified because there is no actual cause for it.

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What makes everyone believe that all of a sudden its all just gonna stop....Did you know in palestine they do not reconize Isreal as a country in their textbooks and what not, they show it all to be palenstine. And im sure they are not the only ones who do this. How can they even be held responsible? THey dont even know any better, from the time the born they are taught that way. How can we ever expect peace with out proper education.

You yourself say that palestinians are a problem also. I'll ad to that Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Syria...
Iraq is the only secular country in the region. The other ones are usually even worse than Iraq is.

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Not to mention until we have one universal religion we won't have world peace. Relegion plays such a important role, religion has caused wars for 1000's of years. The catholics used it as aa scapegoat to justify their crusades.

It's not like catholics or muslims never fought against each other. A universal religion wouldn't stop wars, it would only decrease their number. Still though, religion offers only illusionary security and causes more harm than good and should be abandoned.

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Kosovo maybe??? I don't know that we got anything out of it (like oil). Maybe you don't remember those pictures of those skeleton people behind the barb-wire fences, but I do. Iraq is not the same thing @ all though.

Kosovo was more because of political reasons. And those pictures you mention are from Bosnia, not from kosovo.

PS. You should post stuff like this in political forum. That's what it's for, right? If you checked, you'd see about 10 currently active threads on Iraq there.

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Ahh. You are from the Balkins right??

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Ahh. You are from the Balkins right??

Yes, why?

PS. Sorry about the double post.

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You know why I think there are so many problems in the Middle East? It's not the Israelis, Palestinians, Iraqis, Syrians, etc.

The problem is that normal people like you and me in the middle east CAN'T DRINK BEER. I mean hell if the government took away my beer I would be PISSED as hell! Pissed at everybody ... my neighbors, my boss, my parents, Canada, Mexico, EVERYBODY!! Think about it ... you can't go to a bar after a rough day at work and relieve stress or vent over a nice, cool, refreshing beer. You can't live life to the extreme and get ridiculously smashed on the weekends to prep for the work week. All that pent up stress would build up in me until I'm ready to kill someone!!! And although fellow citizens most certainly deserve my wrath who better to kill than a canadian or mexican??? The same holds true in the ME. We shouldn't BOMB Iraq .... we should get them BOMBED! Same goes for Saudi Arabia, Syria, and whoever else has a gripe. I should submit that to Bush as a viable peace process. Man how much fun would it be to be a peacekeeper? Even if my peace proposal doesn't work ... at least I'd still be bombed.

Anyway that's just my chillout room perspective on the issue ... for my political perspective its been thoroughly discussed in the politics/flaming forum.

to war.

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