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PeacefulWarrior
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My last 'Honest Reporting' thread had very little flame in it if any.


lol "honest reporting"


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Old Post Mar-09-2003 23:53  United States
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tranceaholic
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hey mike...what exactly is your goal on posting everyday in the political forum dude..showing how great israel and how crap the arabs are..we get it dude..we get it..ISRAEL=Understood country..ARABS=bunch of cry babies and all is whats wrong with the world..there happy now..everyday same topic israel is this israel that..arabs this arabs that..we get the point now can we discusss other issues..for a change

Old Post Mar-09-2003 23:59  Egypt
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melech_mike
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Registered: Feb 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Mental Exodus
1.) The link shows why your thred "might" have been trashed in my opinion.

2.) I dont know why your thred was selected ask the mods.

3.) I dont think the history of your threds matters in this case. Again its my opinion.

4.) CHILL OUT MAN....... its just a thred. It might be about Isreal and everything but its still just a thred.


Sorry if i'm coming off as attacking you. thats not my intention.
I'm upset because the MOD's have showed little responsibilty when moderating this forum. Yes the thread is about Israel, but thats not why i'm upset. I'd be upset if they carelessly deleted any of my posts even if it were on the effects of acid rain; as i'm sure anyone would be.

quote:
Originally posted by Blik
By that one little sentence I quoted you can see the source is bias.

Why aren't the kids from those killed Palestinians mentioned? probably because the reporters don't give a fuck about it



Honest Reporting was set up to combat media bias against Israel (as i stated in my opening post). I never said it would cite errors on the part of media outlets in regards to the plite of the Palestinian/Arab people. Thats for someone else who supports that cause to deal with, not me, nor a website aimed at targeting the mistakes made by those
against Israel! It's not relevent here whether or not the reporters give a fuck about Palestinian kids or not, they're objective with this site is once again only to cite media bias against Israel.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Melech-mike.. you just got raped!

Blik.. i actually thought that myself when i read it


Raped? far from it son!
It seems as though you so quickly jump on the bandwagon of flames, yet when you are challenged with something intellectually stimulating you back down/ignore it. Your opinion here means very little to me, you could start off crediting yourself and your opinions by taking up the challenges put forth towards you.
Please refer to:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=94541

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
this is all very tragic.

i think what people are implying is that it's calluos to just mourn for the victims of your side.


Its nice to see some sympathy for the victims.
Please refer to my reply to Blik for an answer to the rest of your post.

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
lol "honest reporting"


Yes honest reporting; never would have thought those two words would make someone laugh. I guess it is pretty funny to think that some of you might actually reconsider the credability of the sources you read!


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Old Post Mar-10-2003 02:35  Israel
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melech_mike
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quote:
Originally posted by tranceaholic
hey mike...what exactly is your goal on posting everyday in the political forum dude..showing how great israel and how crap the arabs are..we get it dude..we get it..ISRAEL=Understood country..ARABS=bunch of cry babies and all is whats wrong with the world..there happy now..everyday same topic israel is this israel that..arabs this arabs that..we get the point now can we discusss other issues..for a change


My intentions here aren't exactly as you put it... but pretty damn close. Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!!

I have to admit, my main topic of interest is the Middle East (but you guys would have never guessed that). Now, if i want to bring up discussions about Israel and the Arab world, than thats what i'll do. There have been many posts i have discussed that had nothing to do with Israel.
Now, if you dont like the topics of discussion i've brought up, perhaps you should start your own thread. Havent seen anything from you, nor do i think i would respond to a thread you wrote due to the lack of intellegence you have showed me thus far.


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Old Post Mar-10-2003 16:46  Israel
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Personally I think the most important subject here is making sure to my trance brethren that everyone keeps their heads clean of all the propaganda floating around, maybe u want me to say on 'either side'?? So basically... I try to keep flowing in with this subject because its hot topic, and any one of you could oneday realize there is something fishy going on here, and u can too start searching out the truth because it will ultimately affect you!

melech does his own thing whatever it is, but other guys like yeopus and izzy also had often been found to respond to people's babbling of 'massacres' to further the claims against Israel.

Today when I can inform even 1 person of the truth out there it is like im saving the world!!


there is a saying... if 1 man can kill 6 million people, then 1 man can save 6 million people!!!!
And I want to make sure I'm doing my part, here on the forum, and MANY OTHER PLACES As well to keep things moving.

IF oyu guys are upset with people that post on this issue, then just read the next thread!!! For those interested, and we see the same people responding... then keep it up... maybe one day we will break thru that mushy part and hit the brain!!

SHLOMO ELIYAHU
p.s. any of u want to see first hand how it is? Come to ISRAEL for yourself. You can chill by me, and you can see first hand how it is... but im sure you dont want to... so as a last resort of your babbling guys about how ISrael is the aggressor etc... come and live it here with me and see for yourself and then come here and post!!

its easy to talk without FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE.

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melech_mike
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Dunno Will New Palestinian PM be able to make peace?

Arafat's Prime Minister
Arafat keeps his grip on the reigns of power, and appoints a Holocaust-denier to handle daily affairs.

This week, Yasser Arafat appointed Mahmoud Abbas ("Abu Mazen") as prime minister to run the day-to-day affairs of the Palestinians.

On Wednesday, Arafat then met in his Ramallah office with representatives of Russia, the EU, and the UN, and demanded they put pressure on Israel -- now that he has agreed to share powers with a prime minister.

As BBC reports on Arafat: "The Palestinian leader has thrown his weight behind the reform process." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2833739.stm), and that "Mr Arafat has been told that easing his grip on power is a key condition to restart peace talks."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2838419.stm)

Actually, since Arafat hand-picked Abbas, it does not satisfy the world's demand for the introduction of democratic reforms into the Palestinian system.

And since it turns out that Arafat is maintaining control of two crucial portfolios -- security and peace negotiations -- the Abbas appointment also does not satisfy President Bush's demand for "new leadership not compromised by terror."

As the Jerusalem Post writes: "The whole American-European-Israeli idea was to transform Yasser Arafat into a figurehead and transfer power to a more palatable replacement. That, so far, is clearly not what is happening."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1047277720074

---- Media Spin ----

Let's look at how the media is spinning this one.

For starters, The Guardian's Conal Urquhart (his real name) writes: "Mr Abbas has the stature and ability to sign a peace deal independently..."
http://guardian.co.uk/international...,910006,00.html

This assertion should come as quite a surprise to Arafat, who gave Abbas no such "ability." (Comments to: [email protected][/email])

And The Independent (UK) trumpets this headline: "Palestinians Vote for Powerful Premier"
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=385882

"Powerful"?! (Comments to: [email protected])

By contrast, the Chicago Tribune's headline spoke the plain truth:

"Arafat remains boss in deal to appoint prime minister: PLO chief keeps reins on police, talks for peace"

---- Background: Who is Abbas? ----

Mahmoud Abbas holds a Ph.D. in history from Moscow's Oriental College, where his doctoral thesis served as a basis for his 1984 book, "The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism." In this book, Abbas raised doubts that gas chambers were used for extermination of Jews, and suggested that the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust was "less than a million."

Abbas also proposed the sickening, bizarre claim that the Holocaust was a joint Zionist-Nazi plot. He wrote: "The Zionist movement led a broad campaign of incitement against the Jews living under Nazi rule, in order to arouse the government's hatred of them, to fuel vengeance against them, and to expand the mass extermination."

It was this type of talk that led Austrian Freedom Party leader Jorg Haider and French politician Jean Marie Le Pen to be ostracized by the international community.

So how does BBC profile Abbas?

"A highly intellectual man, Abu Mazen [Abbas] studied law in Egypt before doing a PhD in Moscow. He is the author of several books."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1933453.stm

BBC offers no details of the appalling contents of Abbas' writings.

Meanwhile, much of the media is praising Abbas as a "moderate" for having criticized the use of armed attacks against Israelis. The same BBC profile reports: "Referring to the current intifada, Abu Mazen has called for a halt to armed attacks on Israeli targets to avoid giving Israel a pretext to destroy the last vestiges of Palestinian autonomy."

Note that Abbas does not oppose killing Israeli civilians from a moral standpoint; he just finds it strategically ineffective.

Further, in a March 3 interview with the London-based "A-Sharq al-Awsat," Abbas called for the continuation of armed struggle, and seemed only to rule out suicide missions inside the Green Line.

Comments to BBC at:
[email][email protected]

See a full report on Abbas' Holocaust revisionism at:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?P...ea=ia&ID=IA9502

---- Palestinian Denial of the Holocaust ---

Yasser Arafat and the PA have systematically dismissed the horrors of the Holocaust -- in speeches, television appearances, interviews and books -- both before and after the Oslo accords were signed.

The PA newspaper, Al-Hayat Al-Jadeedah, featured an article by Palestinian author Nabil Salam, declaring:

"Since its establishment, the racist Zionist entity has been implementing various forms of terrorism on a daily basis which are a repetition of the Nazi terror. This proves the shared roots of Nazi and Zionist thought. This also explains the cooperation between the Jews and Nazis during World War II, through which was revealed the forged claims of the Zionists regarding the alleged acts of slaughter perpetrated against the Jews during the same period." (September 3, 1997)

A PA television moderator declared: "It is well-known that every year the Jews exaggerate what the Nazis did to them. They claim there were 6 million killed, but precise scientific research demonstrates that there were no more than 400,000." (August 25, 1997)

Hassan al-Agha, a professor at the Islamic University in Gaza City, declared on PA television in 1997:

"The Jews view it [the Holocaust] as a profitable activity so they inflate the number of victims all the time. In another ten years, I do not know what number they will reach... As you know, when it comes to economics and investments, the Jews have been very experienced ever since the days of The Merchant of Venice."

Seif Ali Al-Jarwan, writing in the Palestinian newspaper Al Hayat Al-Jadeeda, declared:

"They concocted horrible stories of gas chambers which Hitler, they claimed, used to burn them alive. The press overflowed with pictures of Jews being gunned down... or being pushed into gas chambers... The truth is that such persecution was a malicious fabrication by the Jews." (July 2, 1998)

Furthermore, Palestinians have refused to incorporate any aspect of the Holocaust into their educational curricula, fearing it might strengthen Zionist claims to Palestine. Hatem Abd Al-Qader, a Hamas leader, explained that such instruction would represent "a great danger for the formation of a Palestinian consciousness"; it would directly threaten Palestinian political dreams and religious aspirations, such as the promise by Allah that the whole of Palestine was a sacred possession to the Arabs. (Al-Risala, Apr. 13, 2000)

And finally, The New York Times (April 6, 1989) reports that Fuzi Salim Ali Madi, one of the leaders of Arafat's elite unit, Fatah Force 17, selected the moniker "Abu Hitler" and named his two sons "Eichmann" and "Hitler."

HonestReporting members can reader more about "Palestinian Holocaust Denial" in a fine article by Robert S. Wistrich:
http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/Publi...id=503&pid=1203


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Re: Will New Palestinian PM be able to make peace?

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Originally posted by melech_mike

And finally, The New York Times (April 6, 1989) reports that Fuzi Salim Ali Madi, one of the leaders of Arafat's elite unit, Fatah Force 17, selected the moniker "Abu Hitler" and named his two sons "Eichmann" and "Hitler."



hahaha so what the fuck is that supposed to mean ???


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melech_mike
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Re: Re: Will New Palestinian PM be able to make peace?

quote:
Originally posted by bouzo
hahaha so what the fuck is that supposed to mean ???


Did you not read the rest of the post? If you had you would see how it directly relates to whats being discussed!

Your name seems to suit you well!


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"BULLDOZER ACCIDENT"

American college student Rachel Corrie was tragically killed on Sunday when she fell down as an IDF bulldozer destroyed a house in Gaza.

The bulldozer was part of an operation to eliminate tunnels used by
Palestinian terrorists to illegally smuggle weapons from Egypt into Gaza.

Corrie apparently stood atop a mound of dirt as the bulldozer approachedthe house, but then fell backward, tumbling down the mound and out of sight. The bulldozer continued and accidentally crushed her.

The IDF Spokesman said that soldiers repeatedly warned demonstrators to keep a safe distance.

Corrie was a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement. She was known for anti-Israel and anti-American activities, as this photo from Gaza (http://www.honestreporting.com/grap...cles/corrie.jpg) shows
Corrie burning an American flag, while Palestinian children look on.

(In general, we wonder on what basis the International Solidarity Movement justifies shielding a house used for weapons smuggling.)

The Washington Post
(http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar...-2003Mar16.html) notes two important points:

1) soldiers driving an armored bulldozer have limited visibility because of the narrow window.

2) One of the ISM founders admits the protesters might not have been as disciplined in their protest as they should have been.

Most media reports failed to mention that the IDF bulldozer was looking for smuggling tunnels. Instead, reports described the house
sympathetically as "the home of a Gazan doctor."

And the entire mainstream media neglected to mention Corrie's
anti-American activities and flag-burning.


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bouzo
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Originally posted by melech_mike
Did you not read the rest of the post? If you had you would see how it directly relates to whats being discussed!

Your name seems to suit you well!


i still dont c a connection and ur pro-jewish posts are waaaay too long for me to read all of the post man .. i got a life to tend to u know....what the fuck do u even know what my name means or u just tryin to be funny


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quote:
Originally posted by bouzo
...ur pro-jewish posts are waaaay too long for me to read all of the post man...


They are pro-Israel, not pro-Jewish; nice try though...Bouzo!


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Re: Honest Reporting

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Originally posted by melech_mike
On March 6, AP tried to downplay the necessity of IDF activity in Gaza: "One of the Israeli goals is to stop the rocket fire. Palestinians have been firing primitive, homemade Qassam rockets from northern Gaza at the Israeli town of Sderot. Most of them miss their target, and those that land cause little damage with their small explosive warheads. No one has been seriously injured by a Qassam rocket, but Israel's government is determined to stop the attacks."

Yet as illustrated on the CNN website
(http://honestreporting.com/a/r/355.asp), the Qassam 2 rocket is anything but primitive. With a payload of up to 11 pounds of explosives, a range of over 6 miles, high mobility, and the potential to deliver non-conventional warheads [... snip-edi-snip]


ok. We have two organizations, who are both 'reasonably' well respected in the western world. Who is right or wrong I cannot determine, due to my lack of military knowledge.

You _ASSUME_ that the CNN is correct, and AP is not. WHY?

Have you thought that there is a possibility that the CNN is pursuing their own agenda, which may be to foster the war in Israel? I mean to me, there is little evidence, that AP has to be wrong. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle between the two news reporting agencies? Is there a chance that these missles, for example, could be used in a destructive way, but that compared to the high-tech arsenal, that the Israelis have, it is rather primitive?


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