I don't think there is anything wrong with it as long as you aren't getting paid to play the stuff you burned. Now, a track or two here or there, I don't think is a big deal, but a whole set of burned CDs should not be done. Taking advantage of people with free material is just wrong IMO.

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Originally posted by DJDigDug Lolz i was at an autoshow last saturday, Import Extreem Showdown in LA and one lil corner had the trance bumping, they had some great equipment there but i was upset at the lil slut CDj heh, he mixed fine but he was playing all burns, so if any of you out there are rocking the CDs thats cool but buy your damn music you thiefs! lolz That has and always will in the future be my only complaint against CDJin is pirating the music that i waste my money for dates on lmao. And its not fair cuz he gets to spin rare material that i dont lmao.

Ok.. i dunno if it was me or one of the other djs but we were switching between vinyl and cd throughout. Now.... I agree wholeheartedly with you guys when you say that people should not dj from cd alone. Which is why i totally buy vinyl. I only use cdr for songs i cant get. Let me give you an example. How many of you have the Ayu M EP? Since the above and beyond typhoon dub was only released with this EP does this mean i shouldnt get to play it? Only 250-300 exist in the world. If its a rare song that you know you have no chance of ever gettin (at a reasonable price) then i dont see anything wrong with playing a rip of it. I can tell you for a fact that we all brought tons of records and we totally support the record labels.

And to uwmadtrance... no we didnt get paid. it was all for fun. To tell you the truth it was yellowg555 and mine's first time djing in public.

To hansolo... why do u think we are theives if we use both cd (for rare and unattainable vinyl) and vinyl?


before you go giving us crap for having used cds.. maybe you should know the whole story before accusing us of not supporting the labels and being theives. Sometimes you have to use common sense. To DJDigDug... you give us crap cuz we can play rare stuff you cant. You can play the rare songs too... but are you willing to pay 100-250 bux for one record so you can spin it? Doesnt make much sense does it? For that one song wouldnt it be more economical, specially in this screwed up economy, to just burn it? Here's an analogy for ya... say you have this middle class car...say a civic or something comparable.. but you really want a ferrari.. BUT you know youll never get it cuz of the price. What do you do then? support the car manufacturer by giving up an arm and a leg and being in debt forever? its roughly the same hting on a grander scale. But you get my point. I may like a rare song.. but im not gonna be stupid with my money and pay more than 100 bux for one record just so i can play it.


just my 2 cents.

i have to agree with wushuboy here...i dun see anything wrong w/ cdjs as long as u are still supporting the artists in some way. in other words, as long as your repetoire isn't ALL burnt mp3s. in that case...big thumbs down to u.

but honestly djdigdug....do u not spin ANY cds? or own final scratch? or wish u could get ur hands on some rare vinyl so u could put it in ur set? maybe u have the money to buy records every week to keep up to date, but a lot of us don't. :P

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Originally posted by wushuboy Here's an analogy for ya... say you have this middle class car...say a civic or something comparable.. but you really want a ferrari.. BUT you know youll never get it cuz of the price. What do you do then? support the car manufacturer by giving up an arm and a leg and being in debt forever? its roughly the same hting on a grander scale. But you get my point. I may like a rare song.. but im not gonna be stupid with my money and pay more than 100 bux for one record just so i can play it.

You want a ferrari, then you work and you buy it when you can afford it. People who realy want ferrari's will go out and buy them.

Rubbish. If you really wanted the track to play, then you'd be prepared to pay the money for it. You're giving yourself an advantage over other DJs who have *morals* and thus won't play burnt music. If you're playing CD-Rs, mp3s, using final scratch then you should be doing so with music that you own. Not ripped, burnt tracks that you're too lazy to go out and look for yourself.

Your argument about tracks being rare and expensive isn't worth anything. The reason they're expensive is because they're rare, because they weren't released in large quantities and thus every single DJ in the world shouldn't be playing that track. If you argue about ripping tracks off John Digweed's radio sets, he's got those white labels because he's a recognised DJ, who has done his thing for the scene and supported it. If you want to be able to get those same tracks in advance, then earn it. Stop trying to look better than other DJs by spinning rarer tracks and scewing the artists and remixes over.

You argue that you only use rips of rare and expensive tracks, lemme guess, but the end of the year you'll decide that $15 is too much for a vinyl, so you'll start ripping the easily available ones. Don't hide behind the "expensive and rare" line.

Basis for the story - if you want to play/DJ music publically, own it.

and just for the record, I've just bought a copy of Ayu - 'M'. Why? because I think it's an incredible track and I want to be able to play it for people. I don't know about you, but I won't be playing tracks that I haven't bought and own myself.

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Originally posted by Widget You want a ferrari, then you work and you buy it when you can afford it. People who realy want ferrari's will go out and buy them. Rubbish. If you really wanted the track to play, then you'd be prepared to pay the money for it. You're giving yourself an advantage over other DJs who have *morals* and thus won't play burnt music. Your argument about tracks being rare and expensive isn't worth anything. You argue that you only use rips of rare and expensive tracks, lemme guess, but the end of the year you'll decide that $15 is too much for a vinyl, so you'll start ripping the easily available ones. Don't hide behind the "expensive and rare" line. and just for the record, I've just bought a copy of Ayu - 'M'. Why? because I think it's an incredible track and I want to be able to play it for people. I don't know about you, but I won't be playing tracks that I haven't bought and own myself.

I think the issue is extremely complexe but one point were you ' I detain the truth and you are to be blamed' type of guy has failed to understand is that collectors market is actual "theft" or less money for labels and artists.
I don't support the idea of ripping stuff easilly available and playing it because you're a cheap ass, and I also think it's profoundly wrong that people who own these so called "collector" vinyls find it correct to rip off the buyers.

The artists are not making more money off of it, and that's due in first place to the label cause they fucked themselves over releasing 500 copies, FORCING people to do unlegit copies. It's harsh and sounds ignorant but come to think about it , it's the closest to reality as you can get.


I personnaly will NEVER put a ridiculous amout of money inside some bastards pockets.

Oh and here's another point of view I have that I'm sure will make you cringe, but I consider buying second hand records as actual "theft" from the record labels.


think about it

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Originally posted by jdat I think the issue is extremely complexe but one point were you ' I detain the truth and you are to be blamed' type of guy has failed to understand is that collectors market is actual "theft" or less money for labels and artists. I don't support the idea of ripping stuff easilly available and playing it because you're a cheap ass, and I also think it's profoundly wrong that people who own these so called "collector" vinyls find it correct to rip off the buyers. The artists are not making more money off of it, and that's due in first place to the label cause they fucked themselves over releasing 500 copies, FORCING people to do unlegit copies. It's harsh and sounds ignorant but come to think about it , it's the closest to reality as you can get. I personnaly will NEVER put a ridiculous amout of money inside some bastards pockets. Oh and here's another point of view I have that I'm sure will make you cringe, but I consider buying second hand records as actual "theft" from the record labels. think about it

i think jdat brings up a very good point. Just because you bought the Ayu - M ep doesnt mean you're supporting the artist as you prolly bought it from some secondhand seller. So what happens in this case? All the money goes into the pockets of the seller. None for the artist. So your point bout being prepared to pay for a records, widget, is somewhat flawed. When Ayu was first released it was probably being sold at a normal price for an EP set. It quickly sold out and in this case the artist did reap the profits.You prolly payed some high amount for the record, and none of that will ever go to the artist. Ayu - M ep should have been a record that everyone should have had the oppportunity to buy. It wasnt just a promo that only the big djs got. Alot of TA members bought it when it first came out. I would have too if i had been into djing back then but i wasnt. The reason why its so expensive isnt that it was only meant for a select few djs, but because it had a limited run. Shoudl the fact that they were able to buy Ayu- M before anyone else mean that new djs should never have the opportunity to play it? Based on the fact that they were there at the right time? Im not trying to be more special than any other dj by playing some tracks from cd. If i can find it then im more than willing to pay for it as long as its a financially sound purchase. To let you know.. i've bought many rare vinyls such as Ayu - M EP, goldenscan - sunrise with the 6am pulser mix, and en motion-truth because ive thought they were great songs. But i didnt have to pay an arm and a leg for them. My point is .. if its a good price.. ill get them. Otherwise, cd it is. Think of it as a financial judgement call.

i see no problem w/ playing cdr's IF it is physically impossible to support the artist / lable w/ the song. There are a few songs, which I have, that aren't released yet, as soon as those songs finally get released, I will be purchasing the vinyl, until then, the only way I can spin it, is w/ my re-mastered .mp3 i have.

If the song they are spinning is, say Tillman Urmacher - On The Run... then that is just plain wrong. but then again, that is my opinion

Now, the other thing is policing this, you cant take .mp3's away, that would be impossible, you cant turn off cdr functionality on cd players do tue legit tunes that are being spun on cdr.. the only option would be to create an irrecordable frequency that exposes itself in line recordings.. they do it for movies, should be able to do that for music too

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Originally posted by Widget lemme guess, but the end of the year you'll decide that $15 is too much for a vinyl, so you'll start ripping the easily available ones.

to tell you the truth.. you're gettin ripped off if you're paying $15 for a new release. maybe you just dont know where to shop. maybe you should try chemicalrecords.co.uk.. good selection.. great prices.. fast shipping. And to let you know... i check online record stores EVERYDAY for new records to buy.

And another thing.. just because you can afford to buy every record you've ever wanted does not mean you have better morals than people who cant buy them. Also, i find it offensive that you would say that im too lazy to go look for vinyl of songs that i want. You have no idea wat i've gone through to look for records. I think f0x can vouch for that.

The only point I like to make is an observation.

I've noticed many are too quick to judge and assume the DJ spinning CDs is a thief. This may not have occurred to some of you but there are DJs who prefer spinning on CDs over vinyl. They rip a legally bought vinyl, burn it onto CD and spin from it. I am one of these DJs and I can tell you from my experience what I do.

As a background, I produce music, have a residency at a local club, and hate scratching my vinyl. I rip vinyls onto CDs for two main reasons. 1. By editing the tracks, I can crop a track to a cue point which I use for fast mixing. If I'm doing fast sampling, it's easier than finding the vinyl and the right groove. 2. I've been known to rework and re-edit tracks and spin them.

The point is, there are people are making money off someone else's hardwork without paying their dues. This is clearly wrong and intolerable. Still there are people out there that use the CDJs legally and artistically paying their full dues to those who responsible for the music. Let's keep that in mind next time we see a DJ using CD players.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous The only point I like to make is an observation. I've noticed many are too quick to judge and assume the DJ spinning CDs is a thief. This may not have occurred to some of you but there are DJs who prefer spinning on CDs over vinyl. They rip a legally bought vinyl, burn it onto CD and spin from it. I am one of these DJs and I can tell you from my experience what I do. As a background, I produce music, have a residency at a local club, and hate scratching my vinyl. I rip vinyls onto CDs for two main reasons. 1. By editing the tracks, I can crop a track to a cue point which I use for fast mixing. If I'm doing fast sampling, it's easier than finding the vinyl and the right groove. 2. I've been known to rework and re-edit tracks and spin them. The point is, there are people are making money off someone else's hardwork without paying their dues. This is clearly wrong and intolerable. Still there are people out there that use the CDJs legally and artistically paying their full dues to those who responsible for the music. Let's keep that in mind next time we see a DJ using CD players.

heh, ok Scott van Dyk, that was a great point


btw, what if I get promo CD-Rs from the label... is that being a thief, cause I really get CD-Rs from some labels.

all the best,

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Originally posted by Scottaculous The only point I like to make is an observation. I've noticed many are too quick to judge and assume the DJ spinning CDs is a thief. This may not have occurred to some of you but there are DJs who prefer spinning on CDs over vinyl. They rip a legally bought vinyl, burn it onto CD and spin from it. I am one of these DJs and I can tell you from my experience what I do. As a background, I produce music, have a residency at a local club, and hate scratching my vinyl. I rip vinyls onto CDs for two main reasons. 1. By editing the tracks, I can crop a track to a cue point which I use for fast mixing. If I'm doing fast sampling, it's easier than finding the vinyl and the right groove. 2. I've been known to rework and re-edit tracks and spin them. The point is, there are people are making money off someone else's hardwork without paying their dues. This is clearly wrong and intolerable. Still there are people out there that use the CDJs legally and artistically paying their full dues to those who responsible for the music. Let's keep that in mind next time we see a DJ using CD players.

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Originally posted by Starfox heh, ok Scott van Dyk, that was a great point btw, what if I get promo CD-Rs from the label... is that being a thief, cause I really get CD-Rs from some labels. all the best, fox

Exactly , there's only one thing I can add to this : I make my own "club edits" from the originals - good luck putting those on vinyl .

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Originally posted by wushuboy to tell you the truth.. you're gettin ripped off if you're paying $15 for a new release. maybe you just dont know where to shop. maybe you should try chemicalrecords.co.uk.. good selection.. great prices.. fast shipping. And to let you know... i check online record stores EVERYDAY for new records to buy.

Who said $ = US? I'm in Canada, I quote local currency. I'm very well aware of online stores - I buy from Chemical, Only-djs, Juno, so I know where to shop. I also was given promo copies from record companies when I was in South Africa and was offered copies of vinyl that were in limited supply.

The comments about buying the record second hand and that money not going to the artist is true, I'll admit to that. But downloading the track isn't exactly helping the artist either? Most people (and you may or may not be one of them), once they start downloading rare tracks, it's always easier to continue downloading tracks that aren't rare - it's a bit like a habit.

My one point which you aren't answering is that by justifying you playing tracks that are too expensive, you're the one who is defining too expensive. So is US10 too much, but US9.99 okay? The line is very flimsy and easily moved.

The point that Scottaculous made I mentioned in my post, I specifically said that there is nothing wrong with playing rips of tracks that you own. Yes, there are people who play CD-Rs with legal tracks - nothing wrong with that.

I just have a problem with people who play downloaded versions of tracks and then try and justify it by hiding behind the comments of a "track is rare", "expensive", etc.

As for me being able to afford every record I want, I definitely can't. I'm a grad student at University - I'll just decide to buy records instead of going out sometimes.

Downloading tracks is just easier than spending the money (and cheaper), no one will argue with that. If you're happy with doing that, then I doubt anything that I say will change your mind. I've had this discussion with people before and no one changes their minds.

Last edited by Widget on Mar-11-2003 at 04:32