Anyhoo, I've also heard the Pioneers. Blah! They're way overrated, IMHO. I just didn't care much for them, with extremely inaccurate, overblown bass and shrill highs. In fact, even the slightest overboost in bass ruins it for the entire 'phone, in my book.

The problem is shared with all of the other mass-market Japanese brands, as well. (Note that I didn't mention Stax in this discussion, as Stax is a highly regarded Japanese maker of higher-end electrostatic headphones, most of which are strictly for home use.) Neither Pioneer, nor Matsushita (Panasonic/Technics), nor JVC, nor Sony cared much, if at all, about proper closed-headphone design. They all use the same group of very cheap, very low quality drivers on their cheap 'phones and their expensive 'phones alike - and are careless about driver matching to the housings and to each other.

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hell ya, Senheiser HD25 = the offical headphones of Judge Jules

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Originally posted by ShadySlim Anyhoo, I've also heard the Pioneers. Blah! They're way overrated, IMHO. I just didn't care much for them, with extremely inaccurate, overblown bass and shrill highs. In fact, even the slightest overboost in bass ruins it for the entire 'phone, in my book. The problem is shared with all of the other mass-market Japanese brands, as well. (Note that I didn't mention Stax in this discussion, as Stax is a highly regarded Japanese maker of higher-end electrostatic headphones, most of which are strictly for home use.) Neither Pioneer, nor Matsushita (Panasonic/Technics), nor JVC, nor Sony cared much, if at all, about proper closed-headphone design. They all use the same group of very cheap, very low quality drivers on their cheap 'phones and their expensive 'phones alike - and are careless about driver matching to the housings and to each other.

I would have to disagree with you on that. Let me ask you this, why would World's Top DJs, making $5,000.00 to $50,000.00 USD per set use as called by you cheap, low quality headphones???

Furthermore, Pionner headphones are THE most accurate DJ Headphones on the market, thus many Professional DJs Like Christopher Lawrence, Ferry Corsten, switched to Pioneers. If you had a distorted sound coming out, either you had a flaw in the headphones(shit happens) or you need to get a better mixer. Lots of my friends have already switched to Pioneers from their beloved Sonys after trying my pair, and many other friends that can't afford Pioneers, ask me to use mine if we are playing together or if I go to their event. My friend own a DJ equipment store and he can't keep Pioneers in stock, they sell out very quickly. Although this is JMO, Professional DJs, sales numbers, and lots of my friends prooved to me that I bought the best DJ headphones on the market.

TO Big Dave: you mentioned "most expensive headphones" yet the ones you recommended Seinheiser HD25 are $50.00 HIGHER in Price than PIONEERS?

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Originally posted by DJ Tranz I would have to disagree with you on that. Let me ask you this, why would World's Top DJs, making $5,000.00 to $50,000.00 USD per set use as called by you cheap, low quality headphones??? Furthermore, Pionner headphones are THE most accurate DJ Headphones on the market, thus many Professional DJs Like Christopher Lawrence, Ferry Corsten, switched to Pioneers. If you had a distorted sound coming out, either you had a flaw in the headphones(shit happens) or you need to get a better mixer. Lots of my friends have already switched to Pioneers from their beloved Sonys after trying my pair, and many other friends that can't afford Pioneers, ask me to use mine if we are playing together or if I go to their event. My friend own a DJ equipment store and he can't keep Pioneers in stock, they sell out very quickly. Although this is JMO, Professional DJs, sales numbers, and lots of my friends prooved to me that I bought the best DJ headphones on the market. TO Big Dave: you mentioned "most expensive headphones" yet the ones you recommended Seinheiser HD25 are $50.00 HIGHER in Price than PIONEERS?

Actually, what I considered "cheap, low-quality headphones" is based on their prices in Japan. You see, if you buy those same headphones in Japan, they'll cost you three to five times less $$$ over there than they do in the USA. In other words, those $160 Pioneers that I've mentioned will cost you the equivalent of only about $50 to $60 USD over there in Japan. Well, sh*t happens. Either I demoed a shyte pair of the Pioneers, or the demo rack was using a shyte amp.

On the other hand, the Sennheisers will cost you just as much $$$ over there in Japan as they do over here in the USA. So, if a particular Senn HD 25 costs $200 here, they will cost you nearly the same $200 over there, too. And in Europe, the Sonys and Pioneers are even more overpriced than they already are in the USA - while the Senns and other European makes are relative bargains over there. So, in Germany, for example, the HD 25-1 will cost you less $$$ there than the artificially inflated price of the Sony MDR-V700DJ.

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Originally posted by DJ Tranz I would have to disagree with you on that. Let me ask you this, why would World's Top DJs, making $5,000.00 to $50,000.00 USD per set use as called by you cheap, low quality headphones??? TO Big Dave: you mentioned "most expensive headphones" yet the ones you recommended Seinheiser HD25 are $50.00 HIGHER in Price than PIONEERS?

firstly mate money talks! people wear certain brands cos they are getting paid to do so! not because they are superior!

and secondly it depends where you shop doesnt it?!

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First of all, the MDR-V6 and MDR-7506 are way more accurate than the V700DJ, and more durable and comfy too.

Second, the Pioneer ones are good DJ headphones, as are the Technics -- good for what they are. If you want something more accurate or studio-ish, try the Sennheiser HD25 or the Sony MDR-V6.

Also, ignore frequency range specs. They are almost always lies. Unless you have a GRAPH of frequency range, the specs dont mean squat.

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Originally posted by Gluegun Also, ignore frequency range specs. They are almost always lies. Unless you have a GRAPH of frequency range, the specs dont mean squat.

That's exactly what I was going to say. Never judge a headphone based on their "frequency range". Do you think a headphone will sound better because it is 5 - 30,000Hz? Well it wont. For one thing below 20 Hz is generally unnoticable. Most songs only pound down to the low 30's - mid 20's anyways. What good will a rated 5 Hz do? Nothing. This goes the same for the hi frequencies. over 20,000 is practically unnoticable. Songs peak around 20,000 max, usually more around 17-18,000. what is 30,000Hz going to do? Nothing. The human ear can't even pick up these frequencies, even if they were in songs.

pioneer's look like crap and sound like it too (the pair I demoed, anyhow...the pics you got look pretty nice, the one I listened was black), in my opinion...I personally like the V-6...v-700 and pioneers sound similar, big heavy midbasses...don't really really like it, personally.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

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ooOOO! A DJJ thats also a member of the Furry fandom... coolies!
*grins, imagining a guy in a fursuit at the tables... with the headphones on the ears of the suit...*

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Originally posted by Gluegun ooOOO! A DJJ thats also a member of the Furry fandom... coolies! *grins, imagining a guy in a fursuit at the tables... with the headphones on the ears of the suit...*

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

So who is the artist? Is it your fursona? Do ya have a VCL page? You go to any of the cons? ... *grins* ... Do you yiff?

*cackles and runs away*