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Originally posted by ZinG Nope dude i can go back and show you all the UN and other conventions and treaties that proove how Israel was proclaimed as a Country back in 1950s , u can find them everywhere on the net and all the world (except USA/Israel/few collaition countries) denies it and start making bullshit, maybe you should ask U.K about this? Now please spare me this religion shit and go do more reading

Israel was proclaimed a country on May 14th, 1948 you stupid fuck!!!
WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU COME FROM?

Does anyone else have a problem with this bullshit?

Hahaha, you kill me bud.... how the fuck did you get to religion from all that we've posted?

Your're a fuckin weirdo

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dude
yes 1948 wtf u expect me to memorize it?
And wtf wrong with you freaking out on what i said.
Everything you're saying is wrong, you have been thought and read some bullshit information on what was going on there but then again im not gonna fight with u anymore cuz its useless your brainwashed
Reply to me if you want but i rest my case.

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Originally posted by ZinG dude yes 1948 wtf u expect me to memorize it? And wtf wrong with you freaking out on what i said. Everything you're saying is wrong, you have been thought and read some bullshit information on what was going on there but then again im not gonna fight with u anymore cuz its useless your brainwashed Reply to me if you want but i rest my case.

I dont expect you to know the date of anything... i already see how useless you are on facts.
You have failed to make even one correct claim.

If you are so sure of your "case", than i suggest you post sources and links to them for me and the rest of TA to believe you!
Than you can rest your case(funny, because you rested a case that was filled with nothing but shit - you expect to win anyones opinions with such a weak "case"?).

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hahah i will now im sleepy
maybe some other fellow TAs will while i'm sleeping don't worry

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Originally posted by ZinG hahah i will now im sleepy maybe some other fellow TAs will while i'm sleeping don't worry

How predictable.... you run away from backing your false claims.
If you we're able to post bullshit and not fall asleep yet, you could go ahead and prove to everybody who will read this post, that what you have claimed up to this point to be true.

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The Jews did not appear out of nowhere to populate Israel when it was created in 1948. There were Jews who were established in the region for centuries back and as early as the 1800's there were mass migrations of Jews to the region who purchased land from individual arabs in what was then a British colony ... not an independant, established country of any sort.

At any rate the entire region was labelled as something like trans-Jordan and it was essentially a smorgasbord of races, religions, and ethnicity. Melech is correct in that there was no signigicant Palestinian movement in the area for independance before Israel was created in 1948. And essentially, the territory they were ceded by the UN in 1948 by the UN were largely the areas that they legally purchased. Yes there were some soem territories that they did not own, but it was relatively insignificant. Take a look at the UN partition maps at the time. Israel was basically an ameobic blob that lacked any borders that even resembled a straight line. The reason why it resembles a rectangle today was as a result of land it acquired after all the Arab wars over the years. Ironically many of those wars were Arab initiated conflicts. It would be interesting to see what would have happened if the Arabs simply accepted UN partition lines.

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Originally posted by occrider The Jews did not appear out of nowhere to populate Israel when it was created in 1948. There were Jews who were established in the region for centuries back and as early as the 1800's there were mass migrations of Jews to the region who purchased land from individual arabs in what was then a British colony ... not an independant, established country of any sort. At any rate the entire region was labelled as something like trans-Jordan and it was essentially a smorgasbord of races, religions, and ethnicity. Melech is correct in that there was no signigicant Palestinian movement in the area for independance before Israel was created in 1948. And essentially, the territory they were ceded by the UN in 1948 by the UN were largely the areas that they legally purchased. Yes there were some soem territories that they did not own, but it was relatively insignificant. Take a look at the UN partition maps at the time. Israel was basically an ameobic blob that lacked any borders that even resembled a straight line. The reason why it resembles a rectangle today was as a result of land it acquired after all the Arab wars over the years. Ironically many of those wars were Arab initiated conflicts. It would be interesting to see what would have happened if the Arabs simply accepted UN partition lines.

Thank you Occrider.
It's hard talking to a doorknob!

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Originally posted by melech_mike What? How can you so easiely dismiss what i just stated. It makes me wonder if you guys seriously think otherwise. The mojority of the world knows it the way i've describes. It seems to me that the only ones that have a problem with these facts are from a Muslim world. Zionist brainwashing... is that the best you can do?

True that name calling is not a valid way to argue...

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Dude calm the fuk down. First of all I apologize if my last post set ur panties on fire, but here are some facts which I hope will clears up some of the questions you asked....

1845: The number of Jews in Palestine is about 12,000.

1897: The Zionist movement is started in Basel, Switzerland. Zionism's goal was to establish "for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by public law".

1917 November 2: The Balfour declaration, a letter by the foreign secretary Arthur James Balfour to the English Zionist leader lord Rothschild, gives support to the Zionist case.

1918-39: The Jews organize their own social and political institutions, which exercise much control over their own population. Hebrew language is fostered, and the Hebrew University is founded in Jerusalem.

1922: The League of Nations adopt the Balfour declaration, and leaves Britain in charge of Palestine, and in assisting the Jews in "reconstituting their national home in that country". Jews represent 11% of the population in Palestine with their 85,000, compared to the 670,000 Palestinians.

1930s: Large influx of Jews, frightened by persecution in Germany. New towns and villages were created, hundreds of kibbutzes founded.

1931: 175,000 Jews and 860,000 Arabs live in Palestine (17%).

1936: Arab revolts against the constant Jewish immigration, but there was no suppression by the British forces until 1939. 385,000 Jews and 980,000 Arabs live in Palestine (28%) by now.

1937: Great Britian suggests that Palestine should be divided into a Jewish and an Arab state.

1939: The British impose a stop on the Jewish immigration. AT this time 450,000 Jews and 1,060,000 Arabs live in Palestine (30%)

1945: With the ending of World War II, and the horrors of holocaust were laid open, Zionist demands on self-government increased. From now on, illegal immigration to Palestine was organized.

1947: UN takes control over Palestine.
— November 29: A UN plan for dividing Palestine into two countries, one Jewish and one Arab, with Jerusalem as international zone, is presented. This plan was immediately met by violent protest from the Arabs. 590,000 Jews and 1,320,000 Arabs live in Palestine (31%).

1948 May 14: The new Jewish state, State of Israel, is proclaimed by the Jewish Provisional State Council. Chaim Weizmann becomes president, and the Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion the new prime minister. The secret Jewish army, Haganah, is declared as the new army of Israel.
— May 15: Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq join the Arab guerillas in fight against the Jews.

1948-51: Around 700,000 Jews immigrate to Israel.

1949 February 24: Peace in the Middle East. Egypt declares that the agreement on cease fire, is not an acceptance of the state of Israel. The Israeli territory has increased from the 15,500 km² that the UN-resolution of 1947 gave them, to 20,700 km². Gaza Strip becomes Egyptian, and the West Bank Jordanian. There had been 800,000 Arabs living in the area that now became Israel, and only 170,000 had been able to stay. The remaining hundreds of thousands, moved into refugee camps in neighboring countries.

1950: Due to the heavy immigration, the Israeli economy faces serious difficulties. Aid is provided by Jewish organizations around the world, and the US government.

1956: Israel attacks Egypt, and is joined by British and French troops. Israel is much motivated by the Egyptian blockade of ships calling at the Israeli port of Eilat. The British and the French are taking revenge after the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal. The three countries had swift victories, but the UN, supported by both USA and the Soviet Union, intervened after few days. Towards the end of the year the three countries had left Sinai, but Israel still held forces in Gaza.

1957: Israel leaves Gaza, after USA had promised help to keep the Gulf of Aqaba open for ships calling at Israel.

1963: Ben Gurion resigns as prime minister and is succeeded by Levi Eshkol.

1967 June 5: Political and security tensions, with increase of Arab troops stationed along the Israeli borders, provokes Israel to a surprise attack on Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.
— June 10: Seizure of battles on the Syrian front, the last battleground of the war that came to be called the Six-Day War. Israel has occupied a large strip of the Syrian Golan Heights, along all of the former border line, East Jerusalem and the West Bank which had been annexed by Jordan almost 20 years earlier, the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip, and the Egyptian territory of Sinai. About 1,5 million Arabs are now under Israeli administration.

1969: Golda Meir becomes new prime minister of Israel.

1972: 11 Israeli athletes are killed by Palestinian guerrilla in the Summer Olympics of Munich, Germany.

1973 October 6: Yom Kippur War, where Egypt and Syria attacks Israel in order to recapture territory occupied in 1967. Arab power had clearly increased since the last war, but after 3 weeks of fighting Israeli restores control.
— Demands from the Israeli military costs so much that the budgets are exceeded to an extent that national economy suffers for years to come.

1974: With the ghost of the Yom Kippur War, and facing the defeat in the parliamentary elections, Golda Meir is not capable of establishing a new government, and resigns.
— Yitzhak Rabin becomes new prime minister.

1977: When not being able to refute accusations on financial irregularities in the private economy, Rabin experiences a defeat in the parliamentary elections.
— Menachim Begin becomes new prime minister. A period of even more deterioration of the economy starts, despite new politics from Begin's conservative government.

— November 19: Visit to Jerusalem by the president of Egypt, Anwar as-Sadat, and the start of the peace process between Israel and Egypt.

1979 March 26: Camp David Agreement signed between Egypt and Israel. Israeli withdrawal from Sinai starts, and goes on for the next 3 years. The second part of the agreement, which dealt with autonomy for the Palestinians on Gaza Strip and the West Bank, is never observed from Israeli side.

1980: Knesset declares the united and complete Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

1981 June 7: Israel fighters bomb a nuclear reactor in Baghdad, Iraq, claiming that this was being used to produce nuclear weapons to be used against Israel.

Second of all if you call me a 'kid' one more time i will personally come to where u live and bitch slap u back to the stone ages...
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Melech-mike..... you just got BITCH SLAPPED!!!!!

As for me.. i am being bombarded with work seeing that its march crunch time and profs are pounding us with papers.

So, once my exams are done... i would be happy to restart this thread and help you answer questions that have obviously been blocked by your extremely stupid Zionist mind.

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Originally posted by tranced_out Dude calm the fuk down. First of all I apologize if my last post set ur panties on fire, but here are some facts which I hope will clears up some of the questions you asked.... 1845: The number of Jews in Palestine is about 12,000. 1897: The Zionist movement is started in Basel, Switzerland. Zionism's goal was to establish "for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by public law". 1917 November 2: The Balfour declaration, a letter by the foreign secretary Arthur James Balfour to the English Zionist leader lord Rothschild, gives support to the Zionist case. 1918-39: The Jews organize their own social and political institutions, which exercise much control over their own population. Hebrew language is fostered, and the Hebrew University is founded in Jerusalem. 1922: The League of Nations adopt the Balfour declaration, and leaves Britain in charge of Palestine, and in assisting the Jews in "reconstituting their national home in that country". Jews represent 11% of the population in Palestine with their 85,000, compared to the 670,000 Palestinians. 1930s: Large influx of Jews, frightened by persecution in Germany. New towns and villages were created, hundreds of kibbutzes founded. 1931: 175,000 Jews and 860,000 Arabs live in Palestine (17%). 1936: Arab revolts against the constant Jewish immigration, but there was no suppression by the British forces until 1939. 385,000 Jews and 980,000 Arabs live in Palestine (28%) by now. 1937: Great Britian suggests that Palestine should be divided into a Jewish and an Arab state. 1939: The British impose a stop on the Jewish immigration. AT this time 450,000 Jews and 1,060,000 Arabs live in Palestine (30%) 1945: With the ending of World War II, and the horrors of holocaust were laid open, Zionist demands on self-government increased. From now on, illegal immigration to Palestine was organized. 1947: UN takes control over Palestine. — November 29: A UN plan for dividing Palestine into two countries, one Jewish and one Arab, with Jerusalem as international zone, is presented. This plan was immediately met by violent protest from the Arabs. 590,000 Jews and 1,320,000 Arabs live in Palestine (31%). 1948 May 14: The new Jewish state, State of Israel, is proclaimed by the Jewish Provisional State Council. Chaim Weizmann becomes president, and the Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion the new prime minister. The secret Jewish army, Haganah, is declared as the new army of Israel. — May 15: Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq join the Arab guerillas in fight against the Jews. 1948-51: Around 700,000 Jews immigrate to Israel. 1949 February 24: Peace in the Middle East. Egypt declares that the agreement on cease fire, is not an acceptance of the state of Israel. The Israeli territory has increased from the 15,500 km² that the UN-resolution of 1947 gave them, to 20,700 km². Gaza Strip becomes Egyptian, and the West Bank Jordanian. There had been 800,000 Arabs living in the area that now became Israel, and only 170,000 had been able to stay. The remaining hundreds of thousands, moved into refugee camps in neighboring countries. 1950: Due to the heavy immigration, the Israeli economy faces serious difficulties. Aid is provided by Jewish organizations around the world, and the US government. 1956: Israel attacks Egypt, and is joined by British and French troops. Israel is much motivated by the Egyptian blockade of ships calling at the Israeli port of Eilat. The British and the French are taking revenge after the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal. The three countries had swift victories, but the UN, supported by both USA and the Soviet Union, intervened after few days. Towards the end of the year the three countries had left Sinai, but Israel still held forces in Gaza. 1957: Israel leaves Gaza, after USA had promised help to keep the Gulf of Aqaba open for ships calling at Israel. 1963: Ben Gurion resigns as prime minister and is succeeded by Levi Eshkol. 1967 June 5: Political and security tensions, with increase of Arab troops stationed along the Israeli borders, provokes Israel to a surprise attack on Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. — June 10: Seizure of battles on the Syrian front, the last battleground of the war that came to be called the Six-Day War. Israel has occupied a large strip of the Syrian Golan Heights, along all of the former border line, East Jerusalem and the West Bank which had been annexed by Jordan almost 20 years earlier, the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip, and the Egyptian territory of Sinai. About 1,5 million Arabs are now under Israeli administration. 1969: Golda Meir becomes new prime minister of Israel. 1972: 11 Israeli athletes are killed by Palestinian guerrilla in the Summer Olympics of Munich, Germany. 1973 October 6: Yom Kippur War, where Egypt and Syria attacks Israel in order to recapture territory occupied in 1967. Arab power had clearly increased since the last war, but after 3 weeks of fighting Israeli restores control. — Demands from the Israeli military costs so much that the budgets are exceeded to an extent that national economy suffers for years to come. 1974: With the ghost of the Yom Kippur War, and facing the defeat in the parliamentary elections, Golda Meir is not capable of establishing a new government, and resigns. — Yitzhak Rabin becomes new prime minister. 1977: When not being able to refute accusations on financial irregularities in the private economy, Rabin experiences a defeat in the parliamentary elections. — Menachim Begin becomes new prime minister. A period of even more deterioration of the economy starts, despite new politics from Begin's conservative government. — November 19: Visit to Jerusalem by the president of Egypt, Anwar as-Sadat, and the start of the peace process between Israel and Egypt. 1979 March 26: Camp David Agreement signed between Egypt and Israel. Israeli withdrawal from Sinai starts, and goes on for the next 3 years. The second part of the agreement, which dealt with autonomy for the Palestinians on Gaza Strip and the West Bank, is never observed from Israeli side. 1980: Knesset declares the united and complete Jerusalem as capital of Israel. 1981 June 7: Israel fighters bomb a nuclear reactor in Baghdad, Iraq, claiming that this was being used to produce nuclear weapons to be used against Israel. Second of all if you call me a 'kid' one more time i will personally come to where u live and bitch slap u back to the stone ages... _|_