Armin has his sound. Its his baby. He's been nurturing it and allowing it to grow with him over the past couple of years. Armin isn't thinking to himself, "Am I burned out? Is there nothing better I can do as a producer?" To Armin, his baby is still growing and there are no limits. I don't think its fair for us to criticize a person that has spent a large portion of his life creating his own specific sound to share with us. If the music is seemingly getting stale, more than likely its due to a shift in the listener's tastes rather than the artist's actual production.

Ok I just had to post, I guess what all of you fail to realize is that Armin has his own sound and yes he is somewhat predictable. I also realize that half of you think he has to start pumping out progressive beats in order for him to gain acceptance. I for one am happy he hasn't gone that route. It's just not him, if you guys knew anything about armin you would know that his father is a classical music composer and i have specifically asked him if his dad influences what he produces...obvious answer being yes. With that being said armin tends towards prooductions with melody and sweeping synths. Lets not talk about all of his quality productions...like his remix of mogwai viola. Armin tends to do his experimentation within the auspices of melodic and uplifting trance wih an occasional dip into some prog trance. I for one am happy that he has stayed his course and established a sound which is noticeable and changes just enough to give his sound new life. As for his djing skills...are they at the level of pvd..not yet, but i think armins God status was realized with albums like boundaries of imagination and his weekly state of trance radio show.

So the Bottom Line..Armin Owns now SHUT IT..

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honestly i have never been to fond of avb's live sets...ive looked more into his productions..to see where his talent lies



there have been only a handful of remixes i really liked in tha recent past...so he needs to go bak to the drawing board and come back with a mesmerizing hit

yeah he has been doing too many remixes last year which sounded the same but the years before his productions were quite different from each other and better I guess.

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matt darey has the wisest head amongst them all. 2 years out after the likes of gamemaster, angel, li kwan, dsp, his own name releases etc, then comes back, does more djing, and releases electro buzz, moody, u shine on, beautiful (re-release) with a new album in the pipeline. he hasnt burned out. well done matt!

armin on the other hand is definately heading in the opposite direction. i have to say that yet another day was supeb, but song for the ocean is absolutely diabolical. sorry armin, but ive already got dust.wav, and i dont need to hear that same buildup again! try something new and original, maybe even take a year out and write some original material slowly wihtout trying to meet a deadline. I also think his Djing had gone to pot. his mixing is bad, and apart from the radio show, his live set djing is very boring.

the only DJ's who seem to play the nice melodic uplifting stuff with decent mixing, are Ferry Corsten and Jon O'Bir. Ferry Corsten hasn't burned out either, and his together album has more potential hits than out of the blue had. Havign said that, there aren't any future classics on the album like "out of the blue". I hope the europena release is better!

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Last edited by Nell on Mar-24-2003 at 20:42

I think in terms of producing, taking some time off would definitely be good for anybody. Music is often times the culmination of ones life experiences, and I think writing something really meaningful would take a great deal of time. It also helps to get away, because it keeps everything from becoming stale to the artist.

Remixing shouldn't be nearly as time consuming as producing IMO, because then you are just adding your own ideas to someone else music. I'm not saying it's easy, but all the stuff that takes a lot of time in creating the song is already done. It's like the difference between someone composing a major symphony, and then someone else transcribing it to the computer or writing it out for a smaller group.

As for his DJing, I haven't heard any of his recent sets, but the sets of his I listened to from summer 2002 and before are all excellent.

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Originally posted by Ze TranceLover Armin isn't at al as good as he was in the past. All their latest remixes / productions sounds the same. It's not as AMAZING as in the past. When I listen to ARIA 'dido' (armin remix) and after I listen to IIO 'rapture', I ask myself if it is still Armin Van Buuren! His new tune SONG FOR THE OCEAN is really poor. Damn where are those fucking awesome synths riffs we had in the past? Ferry Corsten : same way! he loosed it too like ton of artists : FUTURE BREEZE, RANK 1, DJ TIESTO, COSMIC GATE...and now Armin. I can't wait to listen to his album out in may. My opinion will change maybe...

Dude Aria - Dido is a remix from a different time and from a different scene! You expect Armin to remix every song in the same driving uplifting way as he did in 1999? Obivously you can't appreciate the more subtle and highly evolved productions which center around different things than they did in 1999. Trance is not what it was 4 years ago, and Armin's style evolved along with it. Ferry is doing the same thing as Armin; evolving his music. And even after all the ways in which they changed, I am amazed that Neo still accuses Armin of keeping his style the same.... Compare Electrix - Gettaway with Armin - Communication and then with Sunburn or Song for the Ocean! How can you say he hasnt changed his style? If Armin ever does fall into bad repute, it will be because of ignorance of the masses about his music. Armin has, for al ong time now, played the most brilliant tunes on his radio show, and made some of the most memorable remixes and productions in the history of trance. I am amazed that Neo and others look past this and forbode his downfall.

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• Divinorum - Virar
• Fridge - Angel (Club Mix)
• Pendulum - Hold Your Colour
• Benny Benassi pres. The Biz - Love Is Gonna Save Us
• Way Out West - Apollo
• Traveller - Bright Sign (Trance Mix)

i dont think armin has ever been a god.... well, not in all the recent times when ppl claim he is. and before any of you gimme any of this 98-99 bollox.... thats been and gone. A true master or pioneer of a genre, is sumone that stays 100% ahead of the game, with fresh ideas and still manages to maintain an outstanding reputation for being a pioneer. You cant expect a DJ/producer to not get bad opinions because how they were 4 or 5 years ago, thats none-sense. what armins gotta do now, is to prove hes still got what it takes..... or he'll have to make way for new talent, wether you armin ass-kissers like it or not. and to be honest, im suprised how many people can get so uptight over comments on a DJ that has been so mediocre of late.
Fact of the matter is (and ive said it millions and billions and squillions of times before) trance aint getting the effort that it used to, tracks arnt as innovative anymore, its been like this for the last year and a bit.

I have seen armin 7 times, and only once did i find him bareable, i think his sets lack interest (from my experiance). and im all for whatever new talent may arise.... cos new talent means new ideas.... and anything different from the last year in trance, will be nothing short of a good thing.

BTW....if any of you are thinking of replying. i will not answer to any silly 'your a dickhead replies' gimme a detailed argument, and ill gladly discuss.

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare Armin is the shit...no one plays newer high quality trance tracks than him. Thats why he is the best. On the other hand, his productions mostly sound the same and he needs to change it up a little.

EXACTLY my own thoughts.. wow

Nukleuz: First off i know for a fact your taste is not exactly ASOT material, but rather Tracid Traxx stuff. It's understandable therefore that you found Armin "unbearable" live. To my understanding Armin IS ahead fo the game.. he is doing all things you listed a true pioneer does. You didnt mention WHAT you thought Armin had to do to prove he still has it... i can't imagine anything more from a single guy. I'm really not one to harp on just a single producer or Dj, but Armin has been an exception for me as of late. I have listened to sets by all the leading Dj's and his were the only ones that could keep me interested and had me hyped to hear the next tune. If his is not your style, that's fine. You can't ignore that he's setting a precedent as of now that other Dj's can't quite follow. And don't call me an "asskisser" either, just because i like his music. Let's not get into name calling. I respect and listn to many many other kinds of music, styles, djs, etc. etc. Armin for me has been the best this year. Period.

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• Divinorum - Virar
• Fridge - Angel (Club Mix)
• Pendulum - Hold Your Colour
• Benny Benassi pres. The Biz - Love Is Gonna Save Us
• Way Out West - Apollo
• Traveller - Bright Sign (Trance Mix)

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Originally posted by ambrus07 Nukleuz: First off i know for a fact your taste is not exactly ASOT material, but rather Tracid Traxx stuff. It's understandable therefore that you found Armin "unbearable" live. To my understanding Armin IS ahead fo the game.. he is doing all things you listed a true pioneer does. You didnt mention WHAT you thought Armin had to do to prove he still has it... i can't imagine anything more from a single guy. I'm really not one to harp on just a single producer or Dj, but Armin has been an exception for me as of late. I have listened to sets by all the leading Dj's and his were the only ones that could keep me interested and had me hyped to hear the next tune. If his is not your style, that's fine. You can't ignore that he's setting a precedent as of now that other Dj's can't quite follow. And don't call me an "asskisser" either, just because i like his music. Let's not get into name calling. I respect and listn to many many other kinds of music, styles, djs, etc. etc. Armin for me has been the best this year. Period.

i understand mate, im not a flamer. but im also not a narrowminded hard lover... i used to DJ trance in 98 when it first became popular... then my tastes changed, but i still enjoyed trance.... i been going to gatecrasher for over 2 years pretty much every week when it was weekly..... i havnt missed hardly any.... and the main style of music is starting from prog (matt hardwick). then going to trance and epic.... and i enjoyed it.... a year ago. but a year ago we had awesome massive anthems coming out. but tbh i just dont hear em anymore. its not that i hate trance, far from it, but trance's current position and the stuff i hear on occaisions, just dosnt feel like it has any thought or energy gone into it.....

ok, there are your odd few anthems every now and then, but trance hasnt changed at all over the past few years..... and thats cos armin and ferry have been at the helm for the last few years. and theyre tracks (i feel) no longer have the same passion in them as what they used to.

ill probably regret saying this, but armin is my most hated DJ. purely cos of the fact that hes got a massive reputation but thru my own experiances hes really not as good as people make out. im probably one of the most open minded ppl you could ever talk to about music, cos i been into it for a very long time (yes b4 the whole 98 shabooey) and i can appreciate stuff for what it is.... hell! thats how i ended up going to gatecrasher for so long, i wasnt an enourmous fan of normal trance, but i can appreciate it. and now i have stopped going purely cos of the fact that GC are booking armin or tiesto time and time again...... and to be honest, im fed up of hearing mediocreness from them. im not for one second saying armins shit..... hes not, hes made his contributions..... but damn, i really cant see what all the fuss is about. i havnt seen armin do anything different for a long time, ill gladly listen to an up n coming DJ spin trance tho. but ferry tiesto and armin, just dont excite me at all.

and btw, wasnt callin you an armin ass kisser..... but there are far too many ppl out there that think the sun shines outta his ass, the majority of these ppl i guess are noobs




edit. just one final thing..... first time i saw armin was GC xmas party in 2001, and i was so unimpressed with him that when his 4 hour set at GC came aorund 2 months after, i decided i wasnt gonna go, even tho i didnt miss any regardless of hoo was playing. but i was actly quite impressed, i really quite enjoyed that set. but every set ive seen after that from him, i wont say is shit, but like i sed, i would class as substandard

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Last edited by [N]ûk|êû[Z] on Mar-24-2003 at 22:09

Nukleuz, regardless of how strongly you hate Armin, there are countless others who feel Armin is continuously on top of his game. Here in Washington DC at glow, Armin is always amazingly into his sets and the crowd. He makes the experience enjoyable for a lot of my acquintances and me personally. Honestly, I can't help but believe that you are disenchanted with the level of fame that Armin has achieved for himself. And if this isn't the case, then Armin simply doesn't cater to your tastes. There's simply no point in going on further and calling Armin a "wanker" or something along those lines because you don't like his style. I ask that you put yourself in this situation: You've spent numerous years in the scene making music. Your sound has become a specific style both in your sets and in your productions. This style brings you fame and fortune. Your audience scrutinizes you closely. Then your audience's tastes shift. Do you go on with the music that you so happily produced and spinned? or do you change and do something that caters to the audience (or the people that don't appreciate your music), but doesn't make you nearly as happy?